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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2023-11-08 04:23 pm

Reminder: Beta features are available to test!

It's been a while since we've reminded you of the existence of the Beta Features collection. This is where we make new features and major page redesigns available to people in advance of changing them for the whole site, so people can help find the weird edge case bugs, let us know about usability and accessibility problems, and generally bang on certain changes before we make them the default behavior so the deploy runs more smoothly.

I'm posting about beta test opportunities because 2023 has been the Year Of Finishing That Last 10% On So Many Things, and part of that is us making a real push to get some more things out of beta. In particular, the redesigned Create Entries page has been in beta for an absolutely mortifying length of time by now, and we are absolutely determined to finish up the last few things that are blocking us from releasing it and get it out the door relatively soon.

This is the last call for "I'm having a problem with this page that will keep me from being able to use the site if you make this the only way to update". If you haven't enabled the New Create Entries Page beta to test it, please consider doing so soon! It's a full, ground-up rewrite and redesign of the update page in order to modernize it, make it easier to maintain, significantly improve usability and accessibility, and generally give us a lot more opportunities to improve the posting process. In particular, the page is fully customizable: if you hit the "Settings" link in the upper right corner of the page, just above the "Subject" field, it will let you customize which panels show when you load the page, change some visual settings about how the page behaves, and (if you scroll down) move around the individual panels so they're displayed in a place you find logical for your workflow. We think it's a massive improvement from the old update page, and we're ready to do the last bits of work we need to do in order to switch everyone over.

We will soon be removing the New Create Entries Page beta and making the new, improved version of the page the only option for everyone who uses the site. This is your last chance to let us know if something is very broken for you: checking now, and reporting any problems you might have, will prevent future disruption to your use of the site. Please take a moment and enable the beta so you can help us find any last lingering issues.

The other major beta we have running right now is the New Inbox Page conversion. This is part of our ongoing modernization efforts: Dreamwidth itself was launched in 2009, but because it's based on LiveJournal's open source code, parts of the site date as far back as February of 1999. (If you're as bad at math as I am: that means three months from now will be the 25th anniversary of the code that runs the site existing in some fashion. Please don't tell me if my website's source code is older than you are; I already feel old as hell just thinking about it.) As you can imagine, the technology that runs the internet has changed significantly in the last 25 years, and we've been engaged in a long, slow-motion project of updating the code that generates all of the pages on the site to use more modern technology. Like with the new Create Entries page, this makes it seriously easier to maintain and allows us to benefit from the accessibility, usability, and bugfixing work that other people using the same technologies have done: the old way of doing things was unique to DW, while the new way of doing it uses more widely-used frameworks and modules so we can benefit from many other people's work.

Converting site pages to the new way of doing things involves a complete rewrite from the ground up, though, and while we try to keep the two versions looking as similar as we can, it's not always possible: some changes to how the pages look and feel are inevitable. There's also, of course, the opportunity for new and exciting bugs. So, when we've been converting major pages, we run it through a few rounds of beta first. The inbox is one of the last remaining big user-facing conversion projects, and we wanna get it done and dusted so we can pick off the last outstanding pages to convert and finally be done with this massive albatross of a project we've been working on for-freaking-ever. (We're about 80% done, and this fact is very exciting after having been working on it for so long.)

If you haven't enabled the New Inbox Page beta to test it, please consider doing so soon! (And if you had previously enabled it and found a bug that made you turn it off, please try turning it back on: we've done a lot of bugfixing work.) Because of how old the old Inbox page was, this is one of the more dramatic "things will look different" conversions we've done and the new version may take a little while to get used to, but all the major functionality should match and it includes a number of bugfixes that the old version of the inbox doesn't have.

We will soon be removing the New Inbox Page beta and making the new, improved version of the page the only option for everyone who uses the site. This is your last chance to let us know if something is very broken for you: checking now, and reporting any problems you might have, will prevent future disruption to your use of the site. Please take a moment and enable the beta so you can help us find any last lingering issues.

Finally, a few years ago we converted the journal entry view from the old code to the new code. Despite us aggressively running it through the beta system before making it the default for everyone, a few people experienced some dramatic bugs (including some wetware bugs: it triggered photosensitive migraine in a small number of people). While we worked to fix the problems people reported to us, we enabled a beta flag to let people turn the new code off (as opposed to our usual method of using the beta flag to turn the new code on).

We've done a significant amount of work on the problems people reported with the new journal entry view, including working with a number of experts on photosensitive migraine and a panel of the users who reported that the new code triggered photosensitive migraines for them. At this point, we're reasonably sure that we've fixed every issue that was reported to us, and we're making preparations to remove the beta flag that allows people to turn the new code off. (Keeping two versions of the code for this long is a lot of maintenance overhead, and we can't keep the old code around forever.)

If your account has the "Temporarily revert updated journal page components" beta flag on -- that is, if you previously experienced a site-breaking bug with the new code and had to disable it while we fixed it -- please go to the beta page and turn that beta flag off. This will switch your account to using the new code that every account created since the conversion has been running and let you verify that the particular issue you were having has been fixed. This is probably the most critical action for people who had problems with the conversion to take, because we really need to close out that beta and stop having to maintain two versions of the code, but we don't want to break things for you again!

We will soon be removing the "Temporarily revert updated journal page components" beta and making the new, improved version of the journal entry view pages the only option for everyone who uses the site. If you previously enabled the beta flag in order to temporarily use the old code while we worked to fix it, it is very important that you turn off that flag now and verify that your issues with the new code have been fixed. Please take a moment and disable that beta if you have it enabled so you can help us confirm that the problem you had is fixed.

(The remaining individual beta flag, two-factor authentication, is a very early test that was released as a beta so people can test out the process of configuring an optional two-factor authentication setup. While you can set your 2FA preferences, none of the site login pathways actually use 2FA yet, so enabling it won't do much. The final flag, "site-wide canary", is a generalized "this is the cutting edge code that we've just committed and will be released in the next site update" setting, and you should only enable it if you like living dangerously and occasionally finding that everything breaks horribly.)

For all of these beta flags, if you enable them and have problems, check the Beta Features page listing for that specific beta flag listing: there's a link to the specific entry in [site community profile] dw_beta where you can report problems or bugs.
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[personal profile] sporky_rat 2023-11-08 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)

Please please please, beloved users, check your beta options and see if you find bugs before everything is finalized.

Please. For the sake of the developers who have worked so hard.

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[personal profile] dewline 2023-11-09 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconding this.
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[personal profile] sheron 2023-11-08 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Great news!

Random aside, although this may not be the place for it, but I'm always hopeful that one day the 'Logout' button won't be directly next to/above 'inbox' so I won't have to do the dance of logging out and back in when I try to click the inbox link :D
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[personal profile] miscellaneous_section 2023-11-08 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, that would be nice.

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[personal profile] muccamukk 2023-11-08 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for all your work on this! The beta post entry and inbox choices are just so much better. Every so often I (for whatever reason) clicky back to the old versions, and YIKES. I especially appreciate how responsive the beta inbox team have been to feedback. Those changes went through FAST and made the whole thing so much better.
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[personal profile] sporky_rat 2023-11-08 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)

The "Team" is one developer, and that developer has done some amazing things for the site.

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[personal profile] miscellaneous_section 2023-11-08 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Whatever will help, I'll give the beta Inbox and new Entries a try (possibly a couple of other beta projects you guys have).
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[personal profile] queenlua 2023-11-08 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey, thanks so much for the heads-up. I've been using the site a long time and didn't even know the beta features were a thing, and really appreciate the chance to try them out & report issues before y'all do the final push. (Best of luck getting these features done!)
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[personal profile] starandrea 2023-11-09 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
This: all of this and exactly this, me too! ♥ Thanks!
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[personal profile] sarajayechan 2023-11-08 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I've had beta testing on and I've gotten used to the new look, so I'll be ready when it becomes permanent!
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[personal profile] ride_4ever 2023-11-08 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe it's in this post and I'm just not spotting it...but...when does this "last call" come to an end? I would like to know how much time I have left to test the new features while they are still in beta.

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[personal profile] bluedreaming 2023-11-08 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the update! (Personally living on the canary side here.)

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[personal profile] riderius 2023-11-08 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Since I am not sure how many other use the Rich Text Editor, I view it as essential, and many others view it as a fragile ancient entity that hasn't been updated since the LJ fork, I can confirm that it still seem to work the way I need it with the new Beta Inbox and Create Entries changes.

Thanks for the heads up 8-)
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[personal profile] mxcatmoon 2023-11-12 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Another Rich Text Editor here! (I actually use a combo of both) so that's comforting to know.
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[personal profile] morrow 2023-11-08 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Progress! How exciting :) congrats team!
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[personal profile] trobadora 2023-11-08 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not finding the correct place to link this, but on my journal, the "updated journal page components" (when not reverted) won't let me expand cut tags inline. The little expand arrow doesn't display, and clicking on the cut tag link of course leads to the page itself. It works fine with the "temporarily revert" option, though.

Where should I report this problem?
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+1 I'm having the same problem with cuts, the triangle is gone.

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[personal profile] ex_flameandsong751 2023-11-08 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I sometimes use the Rich Text Editor [like cross-posting to/from Ao3] and I am very grateful and relieved that y'all are keeping it with the beta and the eventual new-and-improved Create Entries page.

Looks good, thanks for your hard work!
Edited 2023-11-08 23:07 (UTC)
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[personal profile] kimaracretak 2023-11-08 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Oof, thank you for the heads-up. I have really mixed feelings about this, honestly. Modern code is obviously a good thing, but the new Inbox is unredable for me and the new Journal Entry/Create Entry pages are just ... well, regular unpleasant/unintuitive (still, in the case of the Journal Entry view - I've had it reverted since that beta flag was available, even though it is at eyestrain level rather than migraine level; in the case of the Create Entry page I had no idea it was customisable until a friend pointed out the settings icon). So it's good to know about this ahead of time :/

(I'm well aware these are probably Kimara-problems rather than site-problems, and I don't want to diminish the hard work you've all done! I actually struggled with whether to post it because I don't even really have good suggestions for changes beyond 'smaller text, less contrast, less clutter' - I'm just sad about it, because it'll really affect how I use the site, like, the Inbox will functionally cease to exist to me. 'Looks like it came from 2009' was a huge accessibility selling point for me, and why I'm on DW as opposed to ... literally anywhere else.)

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[personal profile] marginaliana 2023-11-09 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh, I didn't even realize I had the beta stuff turned on. New create post page is going to take some getting used to, so thanks for the heads up!
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[personal profile] senmut 2023-11-09 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Been running beta stuff and canary and have not experienced bugs really that haven't been found by others. Possibly because I am very boring in my approach to DW
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[personal profile] jeweledeyes 2023-11-09 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I've been using the beta entry creation for so long that I didn't even realize it has rich text now. I've always ever just used HTML 😅 This will be good because my mom is still on the old entries creation page because she only knows how to use rich text. I am going to enable the beta with rich text for her and I'll let you know if she has any issues. I have never had a single issue with the beta entry page in all the years I've been using it.
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Eeeeeee! 2FA? Oh my goodness I love you devs so much, I never thought I was going to see that here. Even if it's not until later, just knowing you're working on it makes my black heart grow a half size or so.

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[personal profile] thistleingrey 2023-11-09 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you all so much for your patient hard work!
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[personal profile] snickfic 2023-11-09 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
On the new Create Entries page, I really like the option to display some of the stuff in the side column, but I wish the icon select box would display there, too (ideally at the top of the column). Right now it's sitting awkwardly by itself in the lower right of the screen, and tbh I'm not sure why it's so wide that it doesn't fit in the column with the others. It doesn't seem like it needs to be.
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[personal profile] ilyena_sylph 2023-11-09 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
You can move it!

Where you want yours is where I have mine!

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[personal profile] acelightning73 2023-11-09 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
Is there a way I can see how the change might look without enabling full-scale testing? I don't want to test it if I can't see it first. (I do find the existing in-box a bit annoying, but the reading page isn't quite what I want either. I manage.)
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[personal profile] satsuma 2023-11-09 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
The individual updates all have their own switches, so you can test them one at a time if you need to, and these switches can be turned off again at the click of a button if you dislike them so testing is pretty safe—that said, if you'd like I can try to take some screenshots for you? (I use celeriac as my site theme and am on firefox currently but I don't mind toggling themes or switching to safari if that makes the demo closer to your experience)

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[personal profile] kalloway 2023-11-09 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
I've been using the New Create Entries Page for years and it's honestly fantastic. The way it handles tags alone is DW!life-changing, especially for anyone who posts to a lot of tag-heavy communities. (Thanks for getting save-draft working on it earlier in the year, that was the only thing it was missing!)

I also really like the new inbox, with the current tweaks, I just embarrassingly did not notice the buttons were dynamic because they were never on-screen (for me) when they changed. This is less about the feature and more that I need to clean out my inbox, but also that if you don't see all the 'usual' options, they're there but not until you possibly might need them.

As someone who is admin for a lot of tag-heavy communities, is there any chance the Edit Tags may someday be updated with a similar tag feature to the new entry page?

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[personal profile] ex_flameandsong751 2023-11-09 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
OK, I'm having problems making my beta inbox mark things as read in the latest edition of Chrome with all adblockers/apps disabled [but JavaScript enabled] but I am not having that problem with the beta in Firefox.
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[personal profile] chanter1944 2023-11-09 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
I have to say, speaking as a screenreader user, that the beta version of the create entry page is excellently accessible! :D Score two for DW staff, one for the coding, and one for factoring access in in the first place.
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[personal profile] rose_et_iris 2023-11-09 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Somehow I prefer the compact look of the old posting form more XD but the new one looks great too! Haven't had issues so far. Appreciate the work yall are doing <3
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You can click the little gearwheels, IIRC, and select which ones are visible, and drag them around a bit! I think when I first shifted over (...years ago, when it was first created...), I had a few places where I had to leave panes open 'cause I used, like, half of it, and the other half wasn't of interest -- but it was 80% of my prior workflow and that was fine 'cause it meant that other people could get their priors close as well.

And of course, these days, that's How It Should Look, since it's looked that way for... Uhhh... •runs out of fingers and gives up•

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[personal profile] igenlode 2023-11-09 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
Wait, is this 'Create Entries' page going to replace the normal 'Post an Entry' page? (It's the first I had heard of it...)

I'm using a basic non-JavaScript-enabled browser, and I'm afraid the new design is a massive backwards step in terms of accessibility, the major issue being that the actual text entry area(?) is tiny compared to the old one. It's only three lines high, which makes composing an entry something like trying to view your text through a letterbox (just like the comments box I'm trying to type into right now...) I'm assuming that the single-line text icon above that is supposed to be the Subject box but there is no visible label. On the other hand, somehow the tags icon is now a big box with a large-size font that is literally the *same size* as the text entry area, instead of being a small single-line text icon underneath it.

The headings in the sidebar are now collapsed and presumably rely on JavaScript to open them, which means that without JS I can no longer access any of those links. (I can click on them to open a new window and then select the sub-entry from that, but without being able to view the expanded list I can't actually tell *which* collapsed heading enables me to display recent comments, for example -- I never memorised the list organization!)

I managed to restore the ability to amend the date and time (and the Don't Show on Reading Pages option for backdated entries) using the new and obtrusively large Settings link, but like everything else it's huge; all the text has got larger in what feels like a smaller space, which means lots of scrolling. I think this design is probably designed for use on a mobile phone display.

I can't 'move around the individual panels' by dragging them in the settings window, but I wouldn't expect that to work without all the browser bells and whistles. Likewise 'Use minimal animations' makes no difference on a browser that isn't using *any* animations that I'm aware of when displaying Dreamwidth pages!

Selecting 'Column alongside entry text' in the entry form options didn't appear to change anything, although I wanted the entry text space to get relatively larger rather than smaller so wasn't very optimistic about that one anyway. (In my desktop it's not normal for the browser window to take over the entire screen; standard practice is to run several portrait-shaped windows for different programs rather than single-tasking in a single landscape sized window. But I tried resizing the window to fill the entire 1600 x 900 display, and it didn't change anything, other than creating a lot of extra white space next to the comment settings and Age restriction panels).

Meanwhile the helpful composition links to site-specific markup tags and supported HTML that used to sit alongside the small date/icon selection icons have vanished. Yes, I do still have to look up the syntax every time I want to link to a specific DW user, or to an external account...

The Preview icon doesn't seem to do anything when I click on it, but I didn't have one before and can live happily without it.

On testing I did manage to create a short post, and was subsequently able to edit and delete it, so the new version won't keep me from being able to use the site altogether. It will be a considerably more arduous experience and a rather less pleasant user interface, but the real killer is the enormously shrunken text entry area; the new one is, at an estimate, approximately one-fifth the size of the old one. (In fact, on testing, the old one turns out to display seventeen full lines of text as versus the three on the new-style display.)
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[personal profile] igenlode 2023-11-09 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
The good news is that the new inbox seems fine, or at least no worse than the old inbox...

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