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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2010-05-26 10:28 pm

Weekly update, 26 May

Good afternoon, Dreamwidthians! ...Okay, okay, it's evening where I am, and morning elsewhere in the world, and and and ... but you know what I mean.

This week's update is late because I was busy getting married! (Okay, not so busy -- it was just a simple courthouse ceremony. But still. [personal profile] sarah said that she doesn't work on days she gets married, and I happen to agree.) Then, as I was settling in to gather things for the update, something big happened. Like, huge. Big enough to blow away everything else I was going to talk about in the rest of this update.

Before I get to that, though, a quick hit: welcome to [personal profile] poulpette, who has had her first patches committed! (Two, to be exact.) Also, this month we're running a Clean Up The Small Stuff hackathon in an attempt to knock down our open bug count. So, if you've been considering getting involved, now would be a great time. (Come to the dark side. We have cookies.)

Still, all of this pales next to ...



The Update Page Redesign Mockup



Yes, that's right. [personal profile] fu has been working her fingers off to turn my crappy pencil sketches into an actual semi-usable mockup. This mockup doesn't work to actually post entries to your journal, and you can't use any of the draft entries/scheduled entries functions yet (since it's not yet finished!), but it will let you play with it and figure out what you love about it and what things you think can still be improved.

Before I link to it, though, we need some background.


The Motivations



The reason for this redesign is to make it possible -- and easy -- to have draft and scheduled entries in the future. This means that you'll be able to:

a). Work on multiple entries at once, save the entries you haven't finished yet, and keep them in your DW account instead of in a file on your computer somewhere.

b). Schedule finished entries for posting sometime in the future, so that you don't actually have to be in front of your account at a certain time in order to post an entry. For instance, if you're going on vacation, you'll be able to write a week's worth of entries ahead of time and they'll post right on schedule.

c). Set a particular entry to post at specified intervals (daily, weekly, monthly) so if you post the same text every week, you don't have to remember that it's Monday again. (Something I am clearly failing at, seeing as how the Monday update is on Wednesday this week!)

d). Temporarily "unpublish" entries back to draft status, instead of deleting them or setting them to Private, so that if you want to revise an entry after you post it, you can do so and still keep the same URL and privacy settings when the entry is republished.

We've also tried to improve on the general usability of the update page, group the metadata settings into logical categories, modernize the interface and add some useful tricks (better tag autocomplete, for instance, and the ability to hide certain metadata sections that you never use and have that choice remembered when you load the update page).


The Requests



When we asked you a while back what you wanted in the update page, and in the conversations we've been having with people about the topic since, the chief things that were mentioned were:

* Prominence of the icon selection, security, and date/time options.
* Good keyboard navigability.
* Better tagging options.
* The ability to hide unused or less-frequently-used options, but still have access to them if needed on an entry-by-entry basis.

The design that we came up with fits these criteria as much as we could. It borrows heavily from the Wordpress posting interface, because when we were looking around at all of the available options out there, the Wordpress one was the closest to what we wanted. It's far from being an exact clone, though, because on DW, the focus is entirely on different things.

Another major thing this redesign does: Because we have so many options for posting an entry, it can be totally overwhelming for new people, but everyone uses a different set of those options and therefore we can't get rid of any of them (or hide them, or put them behind another click for an 'advanced options' page) without annoying somebody. So, for all of the more advanced options, we went with a simple JS trick: the settings for the option won't show up until you select the option, thus saving space and simplifying the process for new people, but they aren't hidden behind a further click to avoid annoying the people who use them regularly.


The Anti-Requests



The major thing that we did even though a few people said we shouldn't: the design uses a two-column design, rather than a one-column design, even though some people said that they'd find a two-column version annoying. There are two reasons we went with this design rather than a one-column one:

1). Our usage data shows that under 1% of our users access the site at a screen resolution under 1024x768. At this resolution, the entry-typing area is still about 70% of the existing update page entry-typing area, and the two-column option allows us to make more of the metadata options visible on the first screenload.

2). A survey I did a while back about the order in which people write entries turned up that everyone does things slightly differently. We wanted to optimize the design for the most common workflow, except there wasn't really a most common workflow! Because of that, we needed to build a version that people could adapt to their own preferred workflow without too much doubling back, and a two-column option means that most of the common workflow items can be visible on the screen at the same time for people to select.

For those users who are accessing DW on a mobile device with a much smaller screen: We are, as part of an unrelated project, working on a redesign of our mobile site. (One of the Summer of Code projects is also an iPhone client.) This will make it easier for you to use the update page on a mobile screen. The design also degrades gracefully into a one-column version if the working screen space is small enough, so users on small devices and low resolutions will still have a large enough working space.

The design is also meant to degrade gracefully if Javascript is off.


A few notes



* The design should be fully keyboard-navigable and screenreader-friendly. We've checked it with the accessibility team, but if it isn't for you, that's a bug and we want to know about it!

* To collapse boxes, hit the arrow in the top left corner. To expand a box and make it larger -- to have more room to type in things like tags and "current mood/music/etc", click the more magnifying glass next to the text entry box.

* If your computer is older or slower, and you're having trouble with the Javascript used to create the various zoom effects, there's a "disable effects" link in the upper right hand corner of the page that will shut those off.

* To choose a custom time to display on the entry, select "Custom" for "Displayed Entry Time" under Date & Time. To schedule a post for the future, select "in the future" for "Scheduled Publishing Time" under Date & Time. A calendar will pop up for scheduling. Tabbing or clicking outside the calendar will dismiss it. (This is one of the things I'm most nervous about. We don't want to lose the ability to make the entry display a date that isn't "now", but we're going to be introducing the concept of "entry posted in the future at a time other than now", and I'm a little nervous that the distinction isn't clear enough. But more about that later.)

* The "Works in Progress" bin will show you draft posts and scheduled posts. Scheduled posts display with both absolute and relative time, and the recurring entry icon indicates that it's scheduled to be posted regularly and not just once. Under the Draft column, "draft" means that it's never been published, and "retracted" means that it was published once but then pulled back for more revision.

* To pick a custom security level (custom filter the entry), select "Custom" under the "Security Level" in the Publishing area. A series of checkboxes for your defined custom filters (or, in this case since it's a mockup, some sample custom filters) will show.

* Preview and Spellcheck are under the Other Actions box, which is collapsed by default as a demonstration of how the collapse-on-load will work -- it won't be collapsed by default the first time you load the new update page when it's live on the site.

* To save as a draft, you'd select "Draft" under "Publishing Status" (in Publishing), then the "Post Entry" button.


The Feedback



So, the purpose of showing you this mockup is to get your feedback now, before we release it on the userbase as a whole! This means that this is the part where I ask you guys what you love about the design and what you think could be better.

Your feedback is important to us, because we want you to be as comfortable as possible with the new design when we release it. It's really important for me to note, though, that the overall design won't be changing, because we chose it for very specific reasons. This means that feedback like "I hate the whole thing and you shouldn't change anything about the existing page" won't be helpful for us -- if you dislike a part of the redesign, tell us the specific pieces you don't like about it, and why, so we can see if there's another way of doing the same thing that will be more widely useful for people.

(Also, before anyone asks: Because this redesign is to allow more functionality, there also won't be any chance to opt out of the redesign and keep using the old update page. It's necessary for us to standardize on one design, especially since we're going to be making sweeping changes to the backend that you guys won't see but will require us to use the new update form to create posts.)

If you're stuck on the kind of feedback you want to give, here are some questions you might want to answer. (You don't have to answer them -- this is just a sample of the kind of things we want to hear!)

* Does your computer/browser display any elements of the page wrongly? (If it does: please let us know what browser (and browser version) and operating system, and what screen resolution, you're using.)

* Is there enough visual distinction to the "Works in progress" bin? If you don't think so, what do you think would improve it?

* Is the distinction between "timestamp on the entry", aka "displayed entry time", and "time the entry will be posted", aka "scheduled posting time", clear enough for you? If it isn't, what can you think of that might make it more instinctive?

* If you use assistive technology: Does this design work for you in it? Is there anything that annoys you about it? Is there anything that's actively hard to work with about it? If so, let us know, and let us know specifically what assistive tech you're using so we can try to reproduce.

* After trying it out a few times, is there anything about the workflow that seems off or wrong to you? Are there any little details of the process that you think will quickly get annoying?

* Is the process of saving a draft, instead of posting the entry directly to your journal, clear enough?

* And, finally, because [personal profile] fu worked her butt off on this and needs some positive feedback to focus on in the middle of all the critique: What're your favorite parts of the mockup?


The Mockup



So, after all that ... here's the link to the mockup!

Remember, this is only a demo. It will not post entries to your journal or save them as drafts, and it won't use your icons, your tags, or your custom filters.

There's a note on the page itself about what else it doesn't have, but to reiterate: the Rich Text Editor isn't integrated yet (since we're replacing it as part of a Summer of Code project), and neither is draft auto-save or functional preview/spellcheck. The links to the sample "draft" and "scheduled" posts don't work yet, either.

Try a few sample posts, bang around on it, see how it works, and let us know what could be better!

Without further ado ...

Create Entries Demo



EDIT (5/27/10, 1024 EDT):



Things that are coming up frequently in comments, that we will definitely look into changing/improving/etc, that are already on the list and don't need to be mentioned anymore:

* Moving the location of the 'tags' option -- nearly everyone who's commented would like that moved, and we'll play around with the best location.

* Tag autocomplete not working perfectly with mouse selection (typing 'ca' to get 'cake', selecting 'cake', and getting two tags of 'ca' and 'cake')

* Location of the spellcheck/preview buttons (please do note, though, that the box they're in right now would not be automatically collapsed when you load the page: the page will remember your last-used value) -- we'll play around and try to find a good solution. (We very much want to separate them, since a common complaint is that people hit post when they meant preview, but what we're hearing from you guys is that they're too separated.)

* The phrasing of the "Take out of normal date flow" box -- that was our best attempt to make the "date out of order" option clearer, since it's a source of much confusion, and we've apparently succeeded in making it worse!

* Requests for the ability to drag & reorder the modules -- I don't know if it'll be technically possible, but I'll have [personal profile] fu looking into how easy it would be!

Also, thank you guys so much for the thoughtful and incredibly helpful feedback and comments so far!

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[personal profile] amethystfirefly 2010-05-27 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
First off, congratulations on the wedding!! :)

Second.. For "Take out of normal date flow", wouldn't it just be easier to put "backdate", since we have a "future dated" type entry thing? It can't get much clearer than that.
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[personal profile] poulpette 2010-05-27 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
First off, [staff profile] denise and [personal profile] sarah, congratulation on your purchase of Wedded Bliss level 1 (Civil Edition). I wish you many more leveling together, and blissful hours of play.

Feedback on the mockup:
[personal profile] fu did an amazing job with that! I love the right sidebar with the passion of a thousand thunderstorms**. I've been longing for some usage of the blank space there for ages.

The collapsing boxes is a neat touch, even though I'd be pretty much okay if they weren't. The improved tag autocomplete is A-EFFIN'-MAZING (despite the few bugs, but judging by the comments, [personal profile] fu's already on the fixing it part :D). At first glance the tag box seemed how so tiny, especially compared to the long boxe currently in use, BUT it is auto-expanding! ♥ [personal profile] fu, again, AWESOME!! The tags placement doesn't bother me, but I suppose it's because I always thought of it as being part of the {currents|metadata} section of an entry. But I wouldn't be bothered if the box made a return to its old place in the next mockup. (Something most of the commenters seem to be asking for.)

The various see bigger popup are nice too, though, except for the custom mood and icon selector popups, I don't expect to use them.

Other thing of goodness: The scheduled/draft options are logically placed within the date/time section. I particularly like the separation of 'use publishing time | use custom time' (with 'date out of order' option, though it's not called that) from the 'publish now | publish in the future' options. And there is a popup date picker! Thunderstorm levels of loves people! The draft/scheduled/ posts listing is a bit confusing, it lacks a clear demarcation between scheduled and draft/unpublished sections.

I was a bit thrown by the publishing section being below the post at first. I was expecting them to be in the sidebar to be honest, but having it down there makes sense as well. I don't know, I'm not sold on either placement to be honest, it was just a weird 'but where are those options?' moment. [personal profile] hope has a very interesting feedback, with a mockup proposition I rather like.

As far as the keystroke navigation goes, outside of checkboxes not checking when in focus and the enter key is pressed, I have to say, it's a real improvement! I really like the ability to (un)collapse sidebar boxes by taping the enter key when the title has the focus.

Overall, the mockup is really, really awesome. That a thousand thunderstorms of YES, THIS! from me. Give or take a few adjustments to make it even more rockin'. I have no favourite parts, because all are equally awesome in their own right. (The unpublish feature is one I never dreamed of, but now I want it yesterday :P)

ETA:
- The icon box looks big, which may be due to the precedent place it had. I think the fact that the some of the posting options were on its left made it seem to take less space.
- I love the tiny icon when the icon box is collapsed idea mentioned way earlier in the comments

(Technical PS: I've taken the demo for a spin with Ubuntu 10.4 laptop & Firefox 3.6.3 and javascript active.)

Edited (Added forgotten feedback-items, fixed capitalisation and forgotten user tags) 2010-05-27 21:56 (UTC)
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[personal profile] lannamichaels 2010-05-27 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
One thing I would love is if I didn't have to scroll down to get to the post button. At my resolution, the scroll hits at "Crosspost this entry". You said minimize clicking, but I'm going to have to click to expand the "other actions" box to get to Preview (also: can that be named something else? "Other actions" is "everything else", and "preview", to me, is not something I would expect to see grouped in with "all the other stuff"; also why is tagging under current? Tagging is defining the post, not defining my current condition, and it took me a hunt to find it there) and then scroll down to post. I don't mind scrolling down, but when I fillout entries currently, I'm already scrolled down to put in tags. In this design, I can fill out everything, and then I have to scroll.

Also, what's going to be auto-expanded? Right now, the currents are, but spellcheck and preview aren't, and I'm curious as to the reasoning for that. I'm also curious as to the ordering: why put music/mood above post-specific things like spellcheck and preview? I personally would group preview/post together because they're both posting options, while currents are part of the entry itself.
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[personal profile] bedlamsbard 2010-05-27 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I am -- slightly distressed that we won't be able to opt out of the new update page and stick with the old one, because the mockup is very busy, and the old one (which I've never really thought about one way or another) strikes me as very clean and streamlined in comparison. (As a sidenote, the extent to which I dislike change is that I'm still using XColibur on LJ.)

Seconding those who say they'd like to have the sidebar on the left rather than the right, or better yet, the option to customize.

I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this yet, despite having read through the past 11 pages of comments, but I keep getting really thrown by not having any options at the top of the page, above the update box. Ideally, I'd prefer to have the icon option there, and not have it pinked out or as a collapsible, along with time, date, and journal.

As I think a couple other people have mentioned, the amount of space between the entry box and the post button is distressing, especially because date & time and publishing are plaintext and not even boxed in compared to the rest.

The name "currents" doesn't make any sense to me, but I never use mood, music, location. I do use tags, and agree that those should be below the entry box rather than off to the side.

When it comes to the choose icon popup, will the icons only appear in a single column? Because right now there's space for two columns (as it is on the current update page or in comments) and the extra white space is throwing me. Will there be the option to change the icon display size in the popup? Because I kind of love that as it stands now. The other thing that's throwing me is the color -- plain light gray as compared to the current light gray and black. I also personally don't use separate keywords for individual icons, so the fact that they're in a grayed box confuses me.

The scrolldown box that appears when you type in a letter for tags is also distressing me, but I'm not quite certain why. Maybe an individual scroll bar for the box, rather than having to keep scrolling the page itself?

Aha! I have figured out one reason the sidebar is bugging me so much -- it seems to be demanding, "Do all this right now! At once! Immediately! At the same time!", i.e. write your entry and pick your icon and choose your tags, comment options, etc. I'm not sure if it would be improved by moving the sidebar to the left, but a vertical progression of things works much better for me because of the way my mind works (apparently): choose your icons, times, journal, write your entry, then do all the fiddly stuff, while having a sidebar at all is distracting (even with all the options minimized). I almost always have my window maximixed too; would there be a way to manually make it a one-column even on a maximized window rather than a two-column? (Although on (another!) fiddly point, the fact there are not an even number of the options would drive me completley mad on a one column; I want them to line up perfectly, damn it! Also, the fact that the collapsibles are colored distresses me, and I am using the default site scheme, because it draws the eye. Gray them, maybe? Or at least have the option of custom color?)

Agree that preview and spell check should be on the same line as post, or at least closer to it; I never use spell check, but I occasionally use preview -- maybe have them in the publishing box, if they absolutely cannot be anywhere near post?

The other thing that I kind of hesitate to say is that as much as I love the idea of having works in progress and scheduled posts (so much!), I don't want them on the update page. They're clutter, and they're utterly unnecessary to an in-progress post or new entry, and I want them off the update page, or, at the very least, stuffed into a (metaphorical) corner where I don't have to see them if I don't want to. Although I can sort of see why they were put on the update page in the first place (one has to find them somewhere, if there's not going to be anywhere else to find them), I can't see why they should be there at all, because they seem irrelevent to an in-progress entry. I would prefer that post entry be the last thing on the screen. (Maybe a pop-up from the links above the subject box?)

I do not like how small the entry box is, and would prefer it to be slightly larger. (At this point, I was about to say that having formatting off to the side strikes me as odd, but then I realized that I'd already mentioned that the sidebar in general struck me as odd.)

Wow, this makes me sound like I really, really hate the page, which I don't -- I'm just not sure how it will work with my workflow in actual practice. I do love all the new options that have opened up. Scheduled posts! Drafts! Unpublishing! So exciting. (Also, let us count the number of times I have used the word "distressed": quite a lot.)
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[personal profile] bell 2010-05-28 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I also like the idea of not having works-in-progress and scheduled posts on the same page as the current entry; perhaps there could be a link on the post-entry page that'd lead to creating non-immidiate posts?
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[personal profile] naraht 2010-05-27 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it possible to have the "security options" bit as a dropdown with an arrow (like the crossposting options)? I don't much like having the pop-up and I'd rather be able to avoid them if possible.

ETA: Oh, and I want to agree with those who said that the space for actually typing your entry is way too small. That's what I use Dreamwidth for, when it comes down to it, and I'd prefer for it to be the visual centre of the page and use slightly bigger type.
Edited 2010-05-27 22:57 (UTC)
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[personal profile] bell 2010-05-28 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it possible to have the "security options" bit as a dropdown with an arrow (like the crossposting options)? I don't much like having the pop-up and I'd rather be able to avoid them if possible.

Ooooo yes that'd be awesome. :D
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[personal profile] jeeps 2010-05-27 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
oh my god, i think i'm in love.
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[personal profile] illariy 2010-05-27 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Eeee, I am excited! This looks great and the list of features is absolutely yummy. Major cheers to everyone and especially to [personal profile] fu! \o/\o/\o/

A few things:
1. Add me to queue of people who would like tags moved. My suggestion: tags to around where the "security level" box is. IDK, posting "to" tags feels a lot like posting to filters to me. Just a thought.

2. Could we get more space or a border between the column "posting time (of scheduled posts) and column "title (of drafts)"? At first I thought these belonged to the same table instead of two different ones and got confused as to what was what and why (seemingly) two titles in a row.

3. I am a doofus and would probably forget the difference between displayed entry time and posting time so for the ones who are a little slow like me, perhaps next to the input box a link to the FAQ entry would help, to quickly look it up when unsure?

Eeee, once again, so excited about all these fantastic plans and features to come. *squee*
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[personal profile] alchemise 2010-05-27 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I and my under-powered netbook thank you for the "disable effects" option.

The only thing I don't like is possibly the most minor minor detail ever, but whatever. When I mouse over a magnifying glass, the little box that appears around it is weirdly off-center, so that it surrounds the magnifying glass on the left, right, and bottom, but on the top the magnifying glass crosses out of the box and looks funny.

Firefox 3.6.3, Windows 7.
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[personal profile] exitsign 2010-05-27 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Fantastic work [personal profile] fu can't wait to see this fully functional. Only complaint of mine is that I like to see the preview button next to post entry, but I can work with the layout as it is in the demo without any changes.
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[personal profile] everysecondtuesday 2010-05-27 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Can I just say that I love the two column design? I want to propose marriage to it. After playing around with it a lot, I'd like to see the journal part--where we're posting--more prominent, as it took me a while to find it. It also took me a bit of hunting to find tags under "Currents." I love that "New Post" "Scheduled Post" and "Drafts" are at the top. I am absolutely in love with the new tagging system. It's a lot easier for me to read each individually if I have a long series of tabs, as well as to choose which tag to autofill when typing. I want to write you guys love letters for that alone. I have a tendency to intuitively press tab if the first option is what I want, but I think that's something that I can easily learn not to do.

Basically, I am super excited over drafts and new tagging and the ability to hide tabs and scheduled posting, omg, and pretty much everything.
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[personal profile] coprime 2010-05-27 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, this is really awesome! I like that the boxes collapse and I love how nice it looks on in my not-maximized browser window. I don't think I would have realized it was supposed to be two columns on my own. Yay I don't have to scroll sideways to see everything!

There were two things I noticed that I don't think have been mentioned. (I tried to read all the comments, but started skimming around page eight.) One is that after I wrote something in the mood/music/location pop-up box, my automatic reaction was to hit enter to signal that I was done and make the box go away. And then I was confused that the box was still there.

The other thing is a bit weird. When my browser window is small enough that the page is one column and I have effects enabled, the Currents box and Other Actions box sort of jump when I collapse/expand them. E.g. I expand Other Actions, the animation extends downwards until it's a little bigger than the final box and then jumps to the final size. If I collapse it, the box extends a little bit and then shrinks down to its collapsed size. It only happens to these two boxes and only when I have the single column. I'm using Firefox 3.6.3 on OSX 10.4.11 if that helps any.

They're both really minor things, but I noticed them and thought I should mention them. ^^ I think the new posting page looks very nice and clean and am looking forward to being able to use it for real.
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Cool Beans!

[personal profile] springwoof 2010-05-27 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the new update page is fabulous! Kudos to [personal profile] fu!

My only (slight) issue is the mood dropdown menu. It's a VERY slight issue because I don't tend to use moods much. But, I hatehatehate the little cartoon things next to the moods. Is there a way to disable them, or have a menu to choose the least offensive one or something?

Otherwise I think the usability and look of the new page is great! Keep up the wonderful work!
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Re: Cool Beans!

[personal profile] kinetikatrue 2010-05-28 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
My only (slight) issue is the mood dropdown menu. It's a VERY slight issue because I don't tend to use moods much. But, I hatehatehate the little cartoon things next to the moods. Is there a way to disable them, or have a menu to choose the least offensive one or something?


You mean the little bats? I'm pretty sure that the posting interface will display whichever moodtheme you have selected. So it's totally up to you and customizable ahead of time.
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[personal profile] lilyleia78 2010-05-28 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
Congrats! Many happy days to you both.

::off to play with new interface::
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[personal profile] lilyleia78 2010-05-28 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
Okay, the only thing (I hope it's new, that's a lot of comments to get through) is that at the top right of my screen all my options are now overlapping both each other and my 'default icon' space. I'm not computer savvy enough to know if that's a function of the new posting interface or not, but it's not happening on this screen or my any other place in DW just on the mock up page.

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[personal profile] sophinisba 2010-05-28 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
Congratulations, Sarah and Denise! I'm so happy for you!

Congrats on your fantastic work, [personal profile] fu! And thanks to you and the Dreamwidth team for being so responsive to feedback from users. Other people have addressed the things I don't love about the new interface but in general it is lovely and very impressive. I'm looking forward to seeing and getting to use the final version. :)
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[personal profile] bell 2010-05-28 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
Lookin' good! I'm gonna love having multiple drafts and scheduled posts. ♥

My concern is-- and sorry if I'm repeating something that has been raised again and again already-- will my computer/account remember which menus I leave collapsed and which I leave expanded? It's a tiny thing, but right now the menu that's automatically collapsed is one I use a lot (preview/spellcheck) and most of the ones that are expanded are ones I wouldn't use at all. While it's just a couple of button clicks, I'd be really happy if DW could remember my expanded/collapsed menu preferences.

Don't feel obliged to answer my question here! :) If DW will already do this, awesome; I'll find out when I start using the new update page. If it doesn't, then if it's at all possible, I request strongly that you guys change that.

Thanks! :D
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[personal profile] bell 2010-05-28 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
Hah, reading over the other threads, I see that my question has already been addressed! I'm really glad that DW will remember my previous settings. ^_~

And, for [personal profile] fu! My favorite part of the mock-up is how smooth the design is; it feels so efficient and neat! So much possibility presented in a minimalist manner, which is how I like my technology. ♥
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[personal profile] dreamatdrew 2010-05-28 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
A) YAY RAH & SARAH!!!!
B) YAY UPDATE REDESIGN
B1) Everything I've had to say about it I've already thrown to Fu.... and i'd have to find chat logs to re-post... later...maybe... hopefully....
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[personal profile] charmian 2010-05-28 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
Looks very good. I normally use Celerity, though, so I wonder how it's going to look there, color-wise.

Suggestions: I also agree about the tags and the preview button placement.
I also suggest that the 'Publishing' and 'Date/Time' parts also be collapsible, for those who don't wish to use them.

The box for text appears to be rather smaller than the current one. Personally, I prefer a larger box for entry text.

Also, where are the options for putting in a poll, or an image? I don't know if they are planned or not, but it would be nice to keep them.

Perhaps the works in progress sections could be distinguished more by putting them in a box.

Good things: love the collapsible menus and the dynamic parts.
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[personal profile] briar_pipe 2010-05-28 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Omg, I <3 the new update page so much! The two-column layout really makes sense, and being able to collapse and open sections and have DW remember what I did - it's like inventing the post-it note all over again.

I love the publishing section especially. The crossposting options are love!

I wonder if the preview and spell-check buttons could be under publishing somewhere? That's where I mentally group those items. Having them off to the side isn't quite intuitive for me, even though I don't use them with every post. I think it's because they're so basic.

Tags would definitely be easier if they were somewhere with a wider available textarea. (I often don't maximize my browser, so column 2 was very thin, though it worked fine for all the other features.) Love the x option and the bubbling! I did notice that after I selected some tags from the autocomplete, they remained in the text typing area as well as becoming a bubble. I assume that's a feature, not a bug?

I also wonder if it would ever be possible to create a menu for tags? Probably not, I'm guessing, because some people have so many it would eat up a lot of resources for an option not everyone would use. I just have to start remembering what tags I've created already or stick to my awkward trick of opening a new window with my tagslist in it. ^_^;;

♥♥♥!!!
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[personal profile] bliumchik 2010-05-28 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
I like it! The two-column thing is quite nice, and it was a good idea to have the scheduled/etc links at the top cos I found their position at the bottom of the page slightly cointer-intuitive, but the links pretty much cancel that out.

I am slightly disappointed not to have a drop-down list of tags - I understand some people have a LOT of tags and it might be awkward to scroll through in that small space, but I am such a scatterbrain I just forget which tags I have EVERY TIME and end up having to add more of them in the edit tags screen which actually shows me what my tags are.
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[personal profile] azurite 2010-05-28 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
I can't remember if DW does this, but what about an auto-suggest, e.g. if you type in the first few letters of a tag, it suggests a closely-matching tag, so you hopefully don't create a new (very similar) one?

ETA: It does this, but when I tried it, I noticed that even when I clicked on the suggested tag in the bubble, it still create a tag for the few letters I had typed (e.g. if I typed "a" and got a massive list of all tags with "a" in it, whether it was the beginning of the tag or not, even if I selected a tag, such as "cake: lies," instead of that tag popping up, I got (a|x) as a tag bubble instead).
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[personal profile] syderia 2010-05-28 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
This mock-up looks pretty awesome.

I do have one problem, I don't see the options on a right sidebar, but in a two-column layout under the entry. (I'm on Firefox 3.6.3 for Windows, with a 1440*900 screen resolution and the Windows Start bar on the left. When I drag the Start bar back in its default place at the bottom, I get the options in the sidebar.)

Other remarks :
I would visually separate the scheduled posts from the draft posts.
I would may move the tag box just under the entry.

But even without it, I really like the redesign and I think that you have done an awesome job.
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[personal profile] azurite 2010-05-28 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
I like the new entry page mockup (for a while there I was getting a very plain create entry page, and I actually MISSED the standard one I've been used to!), though for some reason I feel like the Publishing and Date and Time ones should be flip-flipped, or maybe the Date/Time can go at the top and keep the publishing at the bottom, and move the Other Options underneath the entry box? I like having the Currents and the Icon stuff to the side, though. I guess the only reason why I like the idea of the Date/Time at the top is because that's typically where it's been for me, and it, like the subject line and the entry body, seems like something you might only mess with once or twice, while you might take more time choosing an icon and adding tags and the like.

That said, I think the option for scheduled posts and drafts/retracted posts is AWESOME. Seriously, friggin' incredible. I've lost so many entries in the past that I started using a client, but there's not really a good client at the moment that's compatible with both DW and LJ and has all the features I need. Hopefully that changes soon, but in the meantime, this should save me a lot of heartache! I often have massive amounts of tabs open, and sometimes I forget about entries I've started, so new tabs automatically load the draft, but if I write a new entry...blah blah, yeah. THANK YOU!

Looks good, overall--can't wait to see it rolled out for general usage!

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[personal profile] ivorygates 2010-05-28 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
* The phrasing of the "Take out of normal date flow" box -- that was our best attempt to make the "date out of order" option clearer, since it's a source of much confusion, and we've apparently succeeded in making it worse!

"Do not use current date"[?]
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[personal profile] rikes 2010-05-28 07:13 am (UTC)(link)
I love the new update page! Minor annoyances:

- The date&time box could be collapsible too, because I see myself using those settings very rarely

- I would love for entry text box be just a tiny bit bigger (vertically)

- A (gray) vertical bar between scheduled posts and drafts might make the distinction clearer

- The option of saving a draft (as opposed to posting an entry) isn't super obvious. I had to think about where to find it for a moment even though I had read this post about it just a minute earlier. I'll remember it now, but it might not be intuitive for the first-time user.
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[personal profile] hat_plays_sims 2010-05-28 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
I figure I might as well throw in my two cents...

Being able to collapse things you don't use is awesome; I wish more things collapsed, and I kind of like that there's nothing above the subject and entry fields (I miss the icon being there, a little). For a change I can't opt out of, it could be a hell of a lot worse.

There are a couple of things I dislike, mostly that that the Post is so far from the text entry field and that the "Publishing" and "Date & Time" sections aren't collapsible along with the rest. (Everything I'd be pissed about losing if something happened to my DW is backed up on my computer and on my portable hard drive.) I also hope the "Works in Progress" section will disappear if there's nothing in it, or be made another collapsible part of the sidebar. Handy features are handy if you use them and cluttery if you don't.

I'm honestly not sure of the point of temporarily retracting an entry. Entries can be edited at any time anyway (I've done it when I break HTML), and if you don't have time to edit immediately, you can always set an entry to private and edit it later-- and you still keep the original URL. It hardly takes any time at all to change the privacy settings on a single entry, so I guess it just seems like redundant functionality to me.

Yes, the workflow seems off for the Tags field-- I don't know how anyone else posts, but all I ever make use of is the subject, entry, tags, very rarely the 'date out of order' option, and then I hit Post. If I had my druthers about where to put the Tags field, I'd put it right under the Entry field. Likewise I'm not sure I like the little rounded boxes the tags appear in; they just stretch the sidebars more.

Definitely not in love with the pink. I know it's the default highlight color, but if there's any chance it could be gray or something instead, that would be awesome. It's not that I don't like the default site color scheme-- I do, because I haven't changed it-- but the big pink boxes coupled with the red text kind of make me feel like it's Valentine's themed by default.

I do have some problems when it comes to certain kinds of interfaces, I admit-- I'm more comfortable typing in my own HTML than using a rich text format, and anything with too many little user-friendly pop-up steps is going to get skipped, every time. (I actually chose Dreamwidth for my Sims 2 blog in part because the update page and comments options were simple and didn't have a ton of highly visible javascript.) I know I'll have problems if I want to use the new update page from my laptop while I'm traveling; the laptop isn't nearly as fast as the desktop, and that much java would slow it way, way down.

I swear I wouldn't be nearly this picky if I didn't worry that changing the update interface this dramatically might change how often I want to deal with posting-- I don't want to deal with posting, I just want to do it, even if I am a weirdo who only needs a few options, saves drafts elsewhere, and just wants to write, tag, post, and be done with it, preferably on a neutral-colored page without showy java (java is fine, I just don't like showy java). I'm a bit sad to be losing the old update page, because I could do just that without the pink or the clutter or the rounded corners.
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[personal profile] ree 2010-05-28 10:46 am (UTC)(link)
I was worried that the two-column layout wouldn't fit on my tight 800x600 screen, but the sidebar tucks underneath super neatly. Thanks, Dreamwidth, for thinking of us folks on tiny resolutions!

Besides a few of the issues noted in the dw_news edit, there's just one other thing that doesn't work for me: scheduled and draft posts really need to be distinctly separate, or I accidentally conflate them. Doesn't have to be done with more boxes; just a few ems' margin between them would do the trick.

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