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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2025-08-26 12:24 am

Mississippi legal challenge: beginning 1 September, we will need to geoblock Mississippi IPs

I'll start with the tl;dr summary to make sure everyone sees it and then explain further: As of September 1, we will temporarily be forced to block access to Dreamwidth from all IP addresses that geolocate to Mississippi for legal reasons. This block will need to continue until we either win the legal case entirely, or the district court issues another injunction preventing Mississippi from enforcing their social media age verification and parental consent law against us.

Mississippi residents, we are so, so sorry. We really don't want to do this, but the legal fight we and Netchoice have been fighting for you had a temporary setback last week. We genuinely and honestly believe that we're going to win it in the end, but the Fifth Circuit appellate court said that the district judge was wrong to issue the preliminary injunction back in June that would have maintained the status quo and prevented the state from enforcing the law requiring any social media website (which is very broadly defined, and which we definitely qualify as) to deanonymize and age-verify all users and obtain parental permission from the parent of anyone under 18 who wants to open an account.

Netchoice took that appellate ruling up to the Supreme Court, who declined to overrule the Fifth Circuit with no explanation -- except for Justice Kavanaugh agreeing that we are likely to win the fight in the end, but saying that it's no big deal to let the state enforce the law in the meantime.

Needless to say, it's a big deal to let the state enforce the law in the meantime. The Mississippi law is a breathtaking state overreach: it forces us to verify the identity and age of every person who accesses Dreamwidth from the state of Mississippi and determine who's under the age of 18 by collecting identity documents, to save that highly personal and sensitive information, and then to obtain a permission slip from those users' parents to allow them to finish creating an account. It also forces us to change our moderation policies and stop anyone under 18 from accessing a wide variety of legal and beneficial speech because the state of Mississippi doesn't like it -- which, given the way Dreamwidth works, would mean blocking people from talking about those things at all. (And if you think you know exactly what kind of content the state of Mississippi doesn't like, you're absolutely right.)

Needless to say, we don't want to do that, either. Even if we wanted to, though, we can't: the resources it would take for us to build the systems that would let us do it are well beyond our capacity. You can read the sworn declaration I provided to the court for some examples of how unworkable these requirements are in practice. (That isn't even everything! The lawyers gave me a page limit!)

Unfortunately, the penalties for failing to comply with the Mississippi law are incredibly steep: fines of $10,000 per user from Mississippi who we don't have identity documents verifying age for, per incident -- which means every time someone from Mississippi loaded Dreamwidth, we'd potentially owe Mississippi $10,000. Even a single $10,000 fine would be rough for us, but the per-user, per-incident nature of the actual fine structure is an existential threat. And because we're part of the organization suing Mississippi over it, and were explicitly named in the now-overturned preliminary injunction, we think the risk of the state deciding to engage in retaliatory prosecution while the full legal challenge continues to work its way through the courts is a lot higher than we're comfortable with. Mississippi has been itching to issue those fines for a while, and while normally we wouldn't worry much because we're a small and obscure site, the fact that we've been yelling at them in court about the law being unconstitutional means the chance of them lumping us in with the big social media giants and trying to fine us is just too high for us to want to risk it. (The excellent lawyers we've been working with are Netchoice's lawyers, not ours!)

All of this means we've made the extremely painful decision that our only possible option for the time being is to block Mississippi IP addresses from accessing Dreamwidth, until we win the case. (And I repeat: I am absolutely incredibly confident we'll win the case. And apparently Justice Kavanaugh agrees!) I repeat: I am so, so sorry. This is the last thing we wanted to do, and I've been fighting my ass off for the last three years to prevent it. But, as everyone who follows the legal system knows, the Fifth Circuit is gonna do what it's gonna do, whether or not what they want to do has any relationship to the actual law.

We don't collect geolocation information ourselves, and we have no idea which of our users are residents of Mississippi. (We also don't want to know that, unless you choose to tell us.) Because of that, and because access to highly accurate geolocation databases is extremely expensive, our only option is to use our network provider's geolocation-based blocking to prevent connections from IP addresses they identify as being from Mississippi from even reaching Dreamwidth in the first place. I have no idea how accurate their geolocation is, and it's possible that some people not in Mississippi might also be affected by this block. (The inaccuracy of geolocation is only, like, the 27th most important reason on the list of "why this law is practically impossible for any site to comply with, much less a tiny site like us".)

If your IP address is identified as coming from Mississippi, beginning on September 1, you'll see a shorter, simpler version of this message and be unable to proceed to the site itself. If you would otherwise be affected, but you have a VPN or proxy service that masks your IP address and changes where your connection appears to come from, you won't get the block message, and you can keep using Dreamwidth the way you usually would.

On a completely unrelated note while I have you all here, have I mentioned lately that I really like ProtonVPN's service, privacy practices, and pricing? They also have a free tier available that, although limited to one device, has no ads or data caps and doesn't log your activity, unlike most of the free VPN services out there. VPNs are an excellent privacy and security tool that every user of the internet should be familiar with! We aren't affiliated with Proton and we don't get any kickbacks if you sign up with them, but I'm a satisfied customer and I wanted to take this chance to let you know that.

Again, we're so incredibly sorry to have to make this announcement, and I personally promise you that I will continue to fight this law, and all of the others like it that various states are passing, with every inch of the New Jersey-bred stubborn fightiness you've come to know and love over the last 16 years. The instant we think it's less legally risky for us to allow connections from Mississippi IP addresses, we'll undo the block and let you know.

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[personal profile] skulltaffy 2025-08-26 05:30 am (UTC)(link)
Tacking this up here to keep it all in one place - I assume if you don't have enough UK users to require compliance with the UK's age-verification laws, then you definitely don't for Australia, when that one goes live in December? (Even though there's no way in the world it can work as described in the law, but I digress. If I start on that I'll be here all afternoon, lol.) And if for some reason that did become an issue, there'd be a similar "heads up" newspost down the line?

Asking for totally unspecific reasons, natch.

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[personal profile] beverytender 2025-08-26 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for yelling at them in court, and you know, I really like ProtonVPN's service too. I've gone so far as to start using Proton for everything, email, VPN, etc, because of their security principles. Seconding that recommendation.

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[personal profile] dissectionist 2025-08-26 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
If you would otherwise be affected, but you have a VPN or proxy service that masks your IP address and changes where your connection appears to come from, you won't get the block message, and you can keep using Dreamwidth the way you usually would.

I would double-check with your legal beagles as to whether this is safe to say, because I’m afraid it could be construed as encouraging people to go around the law, and I’m not sure if there could be legal ramifications for you in doing so. (If there are, then you could remove that from the post and delete my comment.)

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[personal profile] otter 2025-08-26 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for fighting so hard for all of us. Because we know they won't stop with Mississippi.

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[personal profile] weofodthignen 2025-08-26 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for all you are doing to fight this.

How awful for people in Mississippi.
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[personal profile] lxe 2025-08-26 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
How awful for people in Mississippi.

"I am capable of setting up a VPN" sounds like a viable adulthood/maturity test to me.

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[personal profile] serafaery 2025-08-26 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
So grateful for all of your hard work, thank you for sharing the Proton details, that's super helpful even for us non-Mississippi folx :)

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[personal profile] twistedchick 2025-08-26 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
I support you completely in whatever you do to keep Dreamwidth safe. I am sorry people in Mississippi have to contend with ridiculous legalities, but I hope that will someday be cleared.

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[personal profile] olivermoss 2025-08-26 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for your hard work. It's insane that that a whole state is going to wind up largely disconnected from chunks of the internet.
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[personal profile] kore 2025-08-26 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for fighting so hard and so long, and continuing to fight. I am definitely checking out that VPN business.
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[personal profile] winterbird 2025-08-26 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for working so hard to fight this!! We know they won't stop with Mississippi.
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[personal profile] rattfan 2025-08-26 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
I have a strong feeling that I would be illegal in Mississippi.

Much sympathy for my American friends who are enduring this madness.

[And feel free to delete my comment if you need to!]
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[personal profile] reylatek 2025-08-26 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
Proton is good. Personally I've been using Mullvad VPN for a couple of years. It's only 5 Euros a month and worth every cent.
But whatever you do, it's important to use a trustworthy VPN , or else things like this can happen.
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[personal profile] ossobuco 2025-08-26 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
I moved from Google services to their Proton equivalents a couple years back, including their VPN, and I have been very pleased on the whole. Just one more endorsement for no reason at all!
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[personal profile] knife_to_meet_you 2025-08-26 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for your hard work and for the VPN suggestions.

I wish there was anything we could do from our side of things.

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[personal profile] anais_pf 2025-08-26 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
Cheering you on!
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2025-08-26 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for all your work on this. I hope you win your case soon.
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[personal profile] thatwasjustadream 2025-08-26 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
We live in such a difficult time. So much progress in some ways and so much backsliding in others. Thank you for fighting the good fight.
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[personal profile] ladyvesper 2025-08-26 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
Wow... what a mess. Thank you for the explanation and for your fight in all of this. While I'm not a fan of all the things on the internet, I don't think it's the state's (any state) job to police this. As a parent, I believe that's MY job. It's not your job, and it's not the government's job, so I applaud you fighting against this particular situation, especially since what they are asking for is near impossible to actually employ and execute. Because livejournal is now more or less out of reach for those of us in the US due to the block to the paid features because of the war Russia is involved in, Dreamwidth has become a god-send to many of us who don't want to deal with that mess. It's crazy that you have to cope with this level of awful legislation in the US. I'm not from Mississippi or even remotely close to that region, but I appreciate the plug for the VPN service all the same.

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[personal profile] scentedcandle 2025-08-26 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for all you do. It's a small light spot in a dark time.
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[personal profile] chuka_lis 2025-08-26 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
thank you.
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Keep fighting the good fight ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
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[personal profile] profiterole_reads 2025-08-26 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for all your work!
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[personal profile] pangolin20 2025-08-26 06:55 am (UTC)(link)

Thank you for continuing to challenge these laws! You've certainly made the right decision in this case; it's better to (temporarily) keep the people of Mississippi off the site than to let the site become unavailable for everyone. Best of luck with this!

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[personal profile] trobadora 2025-08-26 07:10 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much for fighting this!
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[personal profile] facethestrange 2025-08-26 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much for everything you're doing! ♡

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