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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2024-01-07 03:55 am

In which we help to sue Ohio

On the heels of our announcement the other day that we're joining Netchoice as members to fight the wave of terrible and unconstitutional social media laws being passed across the country, I bring you: the first of those lawsuits we're participating in as Netchoice members! Filed on Friday, Netchoice, LLC v Yost is the lawsuit challenging Ohio's Parental Notification by Social Media Operators Act. This law (despite its name) applies to a wide range of websites other than social media sites, and it says that beginning January 15, 2024, people in Ohio under the age of 16 can't have an account on those websites without the website notifying their parent and confirming that their parent allows them to have an account.

This is obviously a problem for a lot of people under 16 in general -- there's any number of websites where a parent knowing that their child has an account there could endanger someone's safety -- but over and above all of those issues, this law has the same problem every single one of these "child protection" laws has: a website can't know which of our users are under 16 (and thus covered by this law) without knowing who all of our users are. This law, like many of the ones Netchoice is fighting, will require websites to identify and deanonymize all of their users in Ohio in order to know which of their users are subject to this law. More than that, it opens up a number of exploits and griefing tactics: if this law is allowed to go into effect, anyone would be able to have a site close the account of someone they dislike just by claiming that the person is under the age of 16, they're the user's parent, and they don't consent to the person having an account. This will work because there's no way for anyone to confirm whether Person A is Person B's parent, and the fines for failing to close an account when a parent tells you to are high enough that websites will err on the side of caution and just remove the account of anyone that someone claims is under 16.

There's a dozen other logistical issues with the law, many of which we got into in our declaration in support of the motion for an injunction saying that the law shouldn't go into effect. But ultimately, the biggest problem with the law is the same as every other law like it: we have a rich body of first amendment caselaw in this country saying that it's unconstitutional to place an undue burden on adult speech (or on access to others' speech) in the name of child protection, that anonymous speech is protected and it's unconstitutional to require identification or deanonymization in order to speak or to access speech, and that your constitutional right to access and engage in protected speech doesn't only begin when you turn 18. We're sympathetic to parents who are looking for tools to help guide their children into making good decisions for their online safety and privacy, but these laws aren't those tools, and the degree to which these laws interfere with the constitutional rights of adults make them something we absolutely will fight wherever they rear their ugly heads.

We're grateful to Netchoice for giving us the opportunity to stand up and explain to the court why this law is unconstitutional, and we're incredibly excited to continue to fight for your right to access the internet without scanning your ID or proving your identity and age. New with this news post: all future announcements of legal challenges we've contributed to will include a list of all the cases we've contributed to and a link to the docket for each of them, if you want to follow along. (Am I considering getting a scratch-off map of the US for my office wall so I can mark which states I've helped to sue over bullshit unconstitutional laws? Yes, yes I am.)

[EDIT 9 January 2024: The judge has issued the temporary restraining order and the law will not go into effect while Netchoice fights it in court! This is fabulous news! The hearing for the more permanent injunction will be February 7.]

Legal challenges we've contributed to:

* Netchoice, LLC v Bonta (5:22-cv-08861) N.D. California
* Netchoice, LLC v Yost (2:24-cv-00047) S.D. Ohio
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[personal profile] bens_dad 2024-01-07 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
How freaking awesome is it to be first in the list in a sentence like "These websites include Dreamwidth, Facebook, Instagram, Nextdoor, Pinterest, Threads, X (formerly Twitter), and YouTube."

Please don't put Dreamwidth in the same sentence as "X (formerly Twitter)" without thinking carefully, twice.

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[personal profile] claudeb 2024-01-07 09:11 am (UTC)(link)
Good luck in your fight! This matters to all of us.
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[personal profile] teres 2024-01-07 09:15 am (UTC)(link)

Good luck, and very nice to see this!

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[personal profile] pseudomonas 2024-01-07 10:51 am (UTC)(link)

deanonymize all of their users in Ohio in order to know which of their users are subject to this law.

Presumably you'd also have to deanonymise all your other users to find out which ones were in Ohio?

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[personal profile] dandelionblizzard 2024-01-07 11:10 am (UTC)(link)

Thank you.

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[personal profile] madfilkentist 2024-01-07 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
Legal battles are expensive, and I've just upgraded to a premium account to help out with this one. One of the scariest things about this law is its potential effect on kids who are at risk. Abused kids won't be able to get help on the Internet without their parents knowing about it. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if cutting them off from help is one of the big motives of the sponsors of this legislation.
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[personal profile] dr_zook 2024-01-07 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
Your enthusiasm about this is contagious! Thank you for being a voice of reason in these exhausting legal challenges. I'm crossing my fingers for you. :)

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[personal profile] ex_flameandsong751 2024-01-07 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
GET EM

Also these kinds of laws are terrifying, so THANK YOU for fighting this fight.
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[personal profile] halloranelder 2024-01-07 12:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I went to the NetChoice webpage, and had a look at the contributors, and had a warm, fuzzy feeling when I saw the Dreamwidth logo there.

Thank you for doing good work.

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[personal profile] iddewes 2024-01-07 12:26 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS kind of thing is why I have a premium account here and haven’t given LJ money for YEARS. I honestly don’t understand my friends who won’t move to DW because of some silly thing. I have no connection with Ohio but I wish you luck with this.

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[personal profile] lunabee34 2024-01-07 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Cheerleads!
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[personal profile] rhoda_rants 2024-01-07 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't have much to add, just saying I'm happy that you're continuing to fight this fight on our behalf. Requiring ID scans and real names and locations is one of the reasons I quit FaceBook.

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[personal profile] shadowbliss 2024-01-07 01:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad you're fighting these laws.
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Whenever freedom of speech or expression is threatened, a band of heroes must rise to the occasion.....
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[personal profile] jasonderoga86 2024-01-07 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed, brotha. And this is coming from Ohio, where that coward/agent of chaos Jim Jordan hangs out. I'm so sick and tired of Republican treachery and their obsession with authoritarianism, haven't they done enough damage already? I mean, c'mon. Nobody's lost any privilege in this country, so why do they insist they've lost everything and keep trying to impose their will on American citizens?
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[personal profile] juan_gandhi 2024-01-07 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)

OMG. Those ancient-thinking people are kind of clueless. Reminded me this Russian pic: ("no internets for you!")

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OMG. Those ancient-thinking people are kind of clueless. Reminded me this Russian pic:

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[personal profile] princessofgeeks 2024-01-07 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
AWESOME
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[personal profile] dissectionist 2024-01-07 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Speaking as a parent, if we rely on outside rules or restrictions to protect our children, we’re doing them a disservice. The very first time those rules get circumvented or fail (and they will), our children would be at risk while we sit oblivious and comfortable in the idea that others are looking out for their safety. As an example from my own childhood, I briefly stole and Xeroxed an elder sibling’s ID when I wanted to get on sex-oriented websites as a young teen. The rules were in place to protect me, but no kid with an ounce of creativity can’t get around a rule if they’re motivated. Even if my parents had entirely denied us internet access or strictly monitored access, as soon as I went to visit a friend whose family wasn’t as restricted, I would have had access to everything my parents didn’t want me accessing.

Because of that reality, the only way to keep our kids safer (not safe, just safer; there’s no way to totally ensure safety) is to teach them the equivalent of self-defense skills for the internet. We can’t be sure that bad actors will never pursue our kids online or that our kids won’t become interested in the seedier corners of the internet, especially as they become teens and curiosity about sex becomes developmentally extremely common. So what we have to do from the time they’re tiny is raise them to understand the techniques sexual predators, stalkers, and thieves use to gain the confidence of others and then harm them. We need to have frank, open conversations with our kids about sexuality and porn, and that porn isn’t an accurate representation of conmon human sexuality and appearance. Trying to keep kids in an artificially sanitized environment doesn’t give them any protection from bad actors or having their views on what to expect sexually warped by early exposure to porn. Teaching them to protect themselves, and understand that the majority of porn is created to fit a very narrow perspective (based in misogyny and European beauty ideals), does help create children who know to critically examine the people they’re meeting and products they’re seeing and analyze them, rather than simply absorbing everything they’re told and shown as truth. (And this doesn’t begin and end with the internet! Start doing it with all media - cartoons, TV, movies, books - when they’re tiny. Help them learn to assess everything they see, and it’ll become second-nature to them to analyze content on their own as they get older.)

So it’s fair to feel sympathetic to parents who want to protect their children, but laws like this have never been and will never be an effective way to do that. It isn’t that you have a choice between First Amendment rights and a tool to protect children, and you’ve decided the First Amendment is more important; it’s that you’re for the First Amendment and against laws that place children further at risk by providing parents with a false sense of security.

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[personal profile] sabotabby 2024-01-07 02:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Reason #34590i032 why this is the best (only good) social media site on the internet.

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Fight fight fight fight! *shakes pom poms!* 💖
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[personal profile] paserbyp 2024-01-07 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for update and keep fighting!
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[personal profile] havocthecat 2024-01-07 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I am so, so glad we have Dreamwidth - thank you for keeping us updated on this fight!
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[personal profile] aurumcalendula 2024-01-07 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!
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[personal profile] llwyden 2024-01-07 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
As an Ohioan, I would like to thank you not only for being in on this, but for your breakdown on why it's a bad idea, because I'll admit I hadn't thought of most of those reasons.
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