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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2023-02-17 10:39 pm

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We founded Dreamwidth in 2008 with several guiding principles in mind, among them protecting your privacy and giving you as much control as possible over your data. Given those principles, we wish we could support California's AB 2273, the Age-Appropriate Design Act, a bill signed into law in September 2022 that California passed to put restrictions into place for children's online data privacy and protection. It's an important issue, and too many companies out there don't put enough attention towards protecting their users.

Unfortunately, the law as California wrote it is not a data privacy act: it's a backdoor censorship bill that threatens anonymity online, will require privacy-and-anonymity-conscious sites such as Dreamwidth to collect more identifying data about our users than we want or need to, and will force sites to remove or restrict access content the state of California feels is "harmful to children" independent of their own editorial judgement. Like the Communications Decency Act of 1996, overturned in the landmark Supreme Court case Reno vs ACLU (521 US 844 (1997)), we feel the law uses vague and undefined terms to impose prior restraint on the protected speech of adults. Its age-verification requirements will force us to violate your privacy and place an undue burden upon your use of the site by requiring us to use invasive measures to verify your ages: proposals for how sites should verify the ages of their users include requiring copies of government issued IDs (which would end anonymity online) and forcing sites to adopt unvalidated and scientifically bogus facial recognition technology to estimate user ages (which, in addition to ending anonymity online and being a breathtaking overreach, shuts out everyone who doesn't have access to a device that can capture image or video, blind people who struggle with lack of visual cues during the facial recognition process, and everyone whose age that technology mis-estimates).

Worse, though, the law also allows the state of California to determine, through an unaccountable administrative process, what content is "harmful to children" and force sites to age-lock that content. That will force us to designate a large amount of legal, protected speech as available only to accounts that have verified their age as being over 18. Given the terrible, hot-button political environment today, and using examples of laws that have already passed or are in the legislative process in other states about what sort of content is "harmful to children", that provision could require us to age-lock an entry written by a Black Dreamwidth user talking about experiencing police violence, a Muslim user talking about experiencing discrimination at work because of her choice to wear a hijab, a trans user talking about seeing their doctor for gender-affirming health care, a user talking about the process of accessing abortion services -- or even an entry that I post with an offhanded reference to my wife bringing me candy that went on half-price sale after Valentine's Day. There's a long history of content by marginalized people talking about their lives being considered "harmful for children", and we have no interest in furthering that disparate impact at the government's directive. We offer you the ability to age-lock your content for you to have more control over who can see it, and we object most strenuously to the idea that the government should force us to force you to use that ability when you don't want to.

There's been no shortage of terrible online content regulation bills that we strenuously oppose lately, so why are we telling you about this one? Because we were invited to provide a third-party declaration in support of the motion for a temporary injunction to stop the law taking effect in Netchoice v Bonta, the legal effort to invalidate the law as unconstitutional, in order to demonstrate to the court all the ways the law as written will impose a significant undue burden on small sites like us and on our users and to provide some examples of how the law will have a significant disparate impact on marginalized groups. We're proud to contribute in some small way in the fight against this terrible overreach of a bill. As a small site with a legal budget of, like, $3.81 and the lint I turned out of the pockets of my hoodie, we're thankful to industry advocacy group Netchoice for leading the fight (and giving us the chance to stand up with them) and to the kickass lawyers at Davis Wright Tremaine, who have been a delight to work with throughout the process of turning my tl;dr rant about why this is a terrible bill into something that we hope the court will find helpful.

You can read our declaration, which was filed today with the motion asking the court to stop the law from going into effect. The full docket for the lawsuit is available via RECAP, including the motion for injunction.

[personal profile] starlightsongs 2023-02-19 02:56 pm (UTC)(link)
As a native Californian (no longer living there for complicated reasons), this is not the shit I would have expected out of California -- but I guess everyone's buying into the 'gotta ~protect the children~' bullshit these days. :/

Thanks for this, Denise.
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[personal profile] angrboda 2023-02-19 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
So wait, in order for you to be able to allow me to continue having an account with you, I would eventually have to send you a picture of my passport? Am I understanding this right? Although I'm good at it, English is not my first language, and when we venture into complicated legalese, I'm on thin ice indeed.

As an EU citizen, how is that going to work with EU gdpr legislation?

Also, I'm sorry, but that is just never going to happen. No. Absolutely not. Unless in the very unlikely even that I decide to travel to California, my passport and indeed my personal identification number(!!!) is jolly well none of their business. This is EXTREMELY sensitive personal information in this country and it is not given out willy-nilly.
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[personal profile] raininshadows 2023-02-19 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
You only have to provide age verification if you want to look at stuff that's not appropriate for two-year-olds. Which is probably the vast majority of content on DW, just based on my experience with the place, but it's not technically everything.

The alternative to providing your passport or other government ID would be to use the Pornhub/MindGeek face-scanning service to confirm that you're an adult. That way the only thing Dreamwidth gets is "this person is an adult, y/n", but MindGeek gets a clear shot of your face, and possibly a bunch of other data so they can match it to your government records. Between them, I'd class DW as the lesser of the two evils, but I'd prefer to avoid all the evils, thanks.
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[personal profile] between_time_and_42 2023-02-20 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for doing this valuable work. I 100% support this (not the bill but the opposition to it).
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[personal profile] volchara 2023-02-20 03:03 am (UTC)(link)
You voted for those people, I don't quite understand why you don't support what they do. It is in fact for The Greater Good!

The future is going to be unified and oh so bright. I probably should donate to the other side, but I am too scroogy
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[personal profile] eta_ta 2023-02-21 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
that's what I'll call you from now on!

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[personal profile] elle 2023-02-20 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this update and for taking part in this important work on all our behalves.
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[personal profile] anatsuno 2023-02-20 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yayyyyyyyy I have finally read the whole declaration :D It is Very Pleasing and I am SO VERY PLEASED that you got to rant in an effective manner to TPTB hoping to help defeat a stupid, dangerous law. Fingers crossed!!!! WELL DONE YOU! :D
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[personal profile] laura_iskra 2023-02-20 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
a huge thank you, for your time and your passion
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[personal profile] twelvthdoctor 2023-02-21 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh, what a mess. As a parent with the extreme instinct to automatically protect my kid (kids, but one is 14, one is only 22 months) from the pitfalls of the internet, I still think I grasp what you're saying, and it seems like on a whole this bill won't really ultimately do much to protect kids in this instance. It's too bad there isn't a fix-all to keep kids safe and simultaneously keep marginalized groups safe (and equal). I support you and DreamWidth!
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[personal profile] farish 2023-02-23 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
THIS is the same thought I had. All of this mess, and how would it really stop anyone from hurting children? Or kids hurting kids? It hardly reaches the ugly root of, if you will, "bad people wearing masks." While I was reading the DW post about the bill, I was thinking, "How would this have helped Zach Kirchner?" (because I was just reading an article about it)... and now I wonder how it would've helped Rahteah Parsons. Or anyone else. Seems doubtful.

Also, thank you for posting your comment. I didn't read all the comments, but it was nice to catch one from a parent and get your perspective.

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[personal profile] duskpeterson 2023-02-22 02:59 am (UTC)(link)

Thank you for that powerful declaration.

[personal profile] ulharjt 2023-02-22 08:20 am (UTC)(link)
I fully agree with your position. Yes, I’m over 18 years old, moreover, I’m even much over 21 years old, but I’m not ready to confirm my age by posting copies of my personal documents ((In addition, I am an active reader, but I don’t blog myself.
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[personal profile] leianora 2023-02-23 10:35 am (UTC)(link)
I am surprised that it was california that came up with such an oppressive law.
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[personal profile] doranwen 2023-02-24 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not - it appears to me that both sides of the political arena (as far as politicians go, I can't speak for individual people, who vary as much as people do everywhere) in the USA are happy to support censorship/control. Their reasons for censorship and what they want to censor differ, but both parties in the past few years have seemed to be gripped with a, for lack of a better word, authoritarian spirit. One article I read awhile back suggested that the usual Right/Left distinctions weren't very useful these days, and that an authoritarian vs. libertarian (not to be confused with Libertarian as in a specific party) distinction fit better. Or you can go with the 3x3 grid that NationStates used, which split it up three dimensionally - economic, political, and personal. Both of the main two parties support a tendency towards authoritarianism in some fashion - it's just which dimension(s) they support it on aren't the same. (Even within parties people can differ greatly on that aspect.) "For the children" is the one thing that has historically tended to cross party lines, because [sarcasm]EVERYONE knows that children shouldn't see porn or be abused, and so that justifies whatever they want to do.[/sarcasm]

Iirc California has already passed bills supporting censorship/control in other areas, but since those align with the Left's ideals more closely, there hasn't been as much complaint or noise about it. Me, I think censorship is bad no matter which side it supports. History demonstrates that once the ability and power to censor or control is given to a government, they don't give it back - and what is used on your opponents can easily be turned around to be used on you.
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[personal profile] mekare 2023-02-23 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for making me aware of this bill (I'm not in the US, though its existence in the Uk also passed me by), and thank you for spending your time to add your voice to the fight against it.
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[personal profile] lillilah 2023-02-24 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for speaking out!!
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[personal profile] flamingsword 2023-02-25 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
Chiming in on the thank-yous! Keep up the good work on protecting us!
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[personal profile] general_radix 2023-02-28 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for fighting back against this, and good luck.

If it means anything: a friend noted that all these forced age verification laws are probably going to slam headfirst into COPPA. There's no way to enforce them without gathering data on minors, which is what COPPA is supposed to prevent.


(Side note: I don't think the Internet is being sanitized "for children", but for advertisers. Minors don't really have online spaces to call their own anymore; all the sites that provided those are now just endless rows of shopping links. If minors weren't legally allowed to use the Internet--and I have a feeling that's coming next--we would still have to deal with this shit.)
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[personal profile] keplers_angels 2023-03-02 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you.
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[personal profile] barbaratp 2023-03-05 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Being from Brazil myself, I have been following some of these terrible news that have appeared on Twitter (the only place where I am informed). I am very sorry that laws like this are even considered. Discriminated censorship is what it's called, an attempt to silence those of you who fight for freedom. Congratulations on your effort to go against this tyranny.
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[personal profile] nightfalltwen 2023-03-06 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I only just saw this post (I've been sick with covid and haven't visited DW in a bit), but knowing you're fighting for us is amazing. After this comment, I'm hopping over to purchase some paid time. I know I'm just one account and its just a small amount from this Canadian, but I hope it will still be of some help.
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[personal profile] medusahealing 2023-03-07 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
I have also been here since 2009. One of the reasons I came here, is because of DW promise to not do what LJ did.
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[personal profile] primwood 2023-03-07 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I just subscribed to Disney plus, and I had to provide my birthdate, which I didn't like doing. Now I think I know why. These companies already have too much information on us, all of us. Where does it stop?

I'm shocked that California would do this. I wonder what prompted them to do it?

Anyway, thanks for putting up a fight.
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