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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2018-12-03 09:06 pm

Welcome to Dreamwidth, Tumblr folks!

With the new update to Tumblr's community guidelines announcing that they will no longer permit adult content on their site, we'd like to take a moment to reassure all y'all that we have your backs. With a very few exceptions (such as spam and the like), if it's legal under US law, it's okay to post here. We're 100% user-supported, with no advertisers and no venture capitalists to please, and that means we're here for you, not for shady conglomerates that buy up your data and use it in nefarious ways.

Tumblr's definition of "adult content" seems to be inherently visual, and I also wanted to remind people that we do have basic image hosting. (It's definitely not as slick and easy to use as Tumblr's, I won't lie, but it does exist.) If you want to include images in your posts, you can upload them and the site will give you HTML that you can paste into your entry. Or, if you have post-by-email set up, just attach the image to the end of your email and it'll be posted. All users have a 500MB image hosting quota right now. I know that's small for people looking for a place to host NSFW image blogs, but we are reviewing usage statistics to see if we can increase it, or at least make it possible for people to pay for more quota like you can for more icons.

For those asking whether we have a mobile app: we don't at the moment! There are many (soooooo many) prerequisites that we have to do first, which we've been working on but haven't yet finished, because we're dealing with a lot of systems and architecture decisions that were made nearly 20 years ago by now. (A mobile app would also be subject to the same censorship pressure Tumblr faced -- it's looking pretty good that Apple taking the Tumblr app out of the App Store was the proximate cause of Tumblr's content guidelines change, and Apple is notoriously strict on apps for sites that allow user-generated content -- so even once we have one, it's even odds on how long it'll be able to stay available for certain platforms.) We've been trying to improve the website's experience on small screens in the meantime, and that's an ongoing project that we'll do our best to devote some more attention to over the next few months.

Feel free to use the comments to this post to recommend communities to join and to make new friends, whether you're here for the first time as a Tumblr refugee or have been here since the start (and any range in between). To the newcomers: we're happy to have you join us. Welcome aboard!

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[personal profile] tei 2018-12-04 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
Are you planning on implementing any new features based on stuff tumblr natives will expect? I'm thinking particularly of tag blacklisting, which is really important to a lot of tumblr users.

I'm also curious about Dreamwidth's stance on reblogging. I don't think it's necessary if people actually use communities like they used to, but even after a short amount of time on tumblr, I'm finding that coming back, it's harder to make decisions about what belongs on my personal journal, and what to post in a community. Having the ability to reblog certain posts (determined by the OP, like pillowfort is doing) might bridge the gap a little, although it would also fundamentally change the way some people use the site, I'm sure.
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[personal profile] soc_puppet 2018-12-04 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, kind of a modified crossposting system? I've mused before about how DW might modify posting ability with crossposting in mind, but I have no idea how feasible it would be.
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[personal profile] tei 2018-12-04 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, actually automatic crossposting might work better than reblogging! For when you want to post something to your own journal, but also have it seen by everyone in a community, and don't want to post the same thing twice.
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[personal profile] soc_puppet 2018-12-04 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
It would be super cool to be able to click the drop-down bar for selecting where to post, and then pick multiple options. The trouble with that, though, would be how to deal with tags. Does one particular place get tag dominance, are tags disallowed in a post you're crossposting, or will there be multiple tag fields with one for each posting location? Disallowing tags on the initial post seems like the simplest option, with the latter as probably most preferable. Hmm.
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[personal profile] krytella 2018-12-04 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
My first instinct here would be to implement this not like tumblr reblogs but more of a "share with your circle" feature. This would make the post show up on your followers' reading page if they have access to it, but not create a copy or allow separate commenting. It keeps the interaction in the sphere of the original poster but enables easier, more free-flowing curation of other posts. Of course it's possible today to have a journal that just links to other posts, it's just a way more complex workflow that doesn't work well for mobile users. Being able to curate a feed of other pests might also serve some of the desire for globally searchable tags, or if globally searchable tags are also implemented, give users tools to manage that flood and reduce wank potential.
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[personal profile] thebaconfat 2018-12-04 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a great idea!
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[personal profile] alyndra 2018-12-11 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually really like this idea! With a little line like, "user xxxx wanted to share this post" right above the post, and an opt-out for people who don't want to see them on their reading pages...
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[personal profile] kalium 2018-12-04 09:03 am (UTC)(link)
Pillowfort allows you to set whether or not a post can be reblogged. It's a nice compromise and works for me. Of course I know reblogs in any form would be a massive overhaul and so a long way off, but if you did implement them one day that's how I'd like to see it done.
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[personal profile] alchemia 2018-12-12 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
this is exactly what i suggested in a thread in another journal and didnt know about pillowfort. I think reblogs should be avail for those that want it, but those that don't should have some ticky-box to simply make their entire journal, or a single post, not rebloggable by default. I'd be happy with this.
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[personal profile] havocthecat 2018-12-04 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
kind of a mini-thesis and I don't want to dump it on you if you're not interested.

/chinhands

...I mean, so, yeah, I kinda am, should you be so inclined?
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[personal profile] batrachian 2018-12-04 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Likewise.
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[personal profile] thebaconfat 2018-12-04 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for address this! I have been a long-time DW user and always found it a fantastic platform, but would really love to see opt-in Likes/Kudos and Reblogs. I'm happy to hear that you're considering it and looking at the potential issues.
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[personal profile] tei 2018-12-04 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you so much for this reply! I will definitely be sharing it with new people who want to know why they can't do xyz. It's fantastic to be back on a site where I know the people in charge are actually thinking about this stuff, and I really hope this migration here sticks :)

[personal profile] jack_of_none 2018-12-05 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Sitewide tagging that can be browsed would be a feature I'd love to see on DW, for what it's worth.

DW has better privacy/moderation tools than tumblr or twitter, though, so i'm not personally worried about pile-ons and harassment in that mode?

It was a feature of Tumblr that allowed me to find people with shared interests really easily (and people who post actual content related to that interest, not just people who listed it as something they like in their profile), and to share my posts with other interested parties. It had its problems but I feel like they were more due to the overall way tumblr worked and the culture it developed rather than inherent in the concept, if that makes sense.

Of course, I am not a developer, so I don't know if I'm totally off base here?
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[personal profile] bahamute 2018-12-05 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Just wanted to chime in, since most people seem to be in support of reblogs, that personally I'm wary of them. Being able to control what is or isn't reblogged is of course better than what Tumblr has but I just am not sure it would actually fix the issues.

For one that requires you to know ahead of time which of your posts you don't want spread far and wide, so it does nothing about the ones where you may have thought it was fine but next thing you know people way outside your circle who don't know the context are all piling on to tell you how very wrong you are. I know there's more privacy options here, but I just worry it could get out of hand, since it often does on Tumblr and Twitter.

Second, it makes it harder to control the content you see. If you subscribe to someone because you like their content you're making sure you see what you want to see but if they start grabbing other people's content it makes it harder. If you like a person's original entries but they keep reblogging stuff you don't, I worry it raises the chances of conflict as people lose patience with these posts from people they didn't sign up to hear from in the first place. I definitely support allowing all legal content but the issue is if people can't avoid the things they don't want to see due to the platform, they'll try to make it so those things just don't exist so they don't have to see it, or at least it seems to me that's what's been happening.

I mean rather than reblogs, people can already simply copy the link to the entry they want to share and make an entry of their own telling their circle what it is and that they should check it out. It isn't as pretty or as easy but I personally prefer that since the extra effort may discourage people from using it to dog pile on each other. I'm sure some people still will try, but less, which makes for a more reasonable volume to handle with moderation.

In the end though I trust Dreamwidth, you've shown that you care about your user base, and I could be wrong and this could help bring more users in. I am definitely not an expert, I just have concerns, is all. And for what it's worth, I would be very interested in that mini-thesis, haha.
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[personal profile] ilyena_sylph 2018-12-05 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Very much ditto.
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[personal profile] sylvaine 2018-12-05 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes this. I saw the concept "reblogs on dreamwidth" and immediately went "noooooo" out loud. xD I see why people might want them, and I see how they would especially benefit the ex-tumblr crowd, but. Nooooo.
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[personal profile] arethinn 2018-12-05 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Pillowfort's approach to this was to make a reblog not a copy, but just a window to the original. If a creator deletes the post, it takes all the reblogs with it. It also means all comments get collected on that single post, its setting for privacy and whether comments are allowed obtains everywhere, etc. It also means that someone could post something innocuous and then later edit it to have some kind of horrible gore picture in it, and all the reblogs would propagate that change. I find that rather alarming but I guess they want to let abuse reports handle that should it happen.

I am also in the camp that wouldn't want to see reblogs on Dreamwidth. I wasn't a fan of Livejournal's interpretation of the idea, either.

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[personal profile] alchemia 2018-12-12 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Ditto.
BUT...... if reblogs will keep tumblr folks on DW (which = more paying users, more vibrant community etc) then I'd be happy with a compromise of having a 'do not reblog' option- i think this option should, just like our journal settings of being public or access-list only etc, should be something we can set for the journal as a whole, or change for specific posts. This way, people like you and me can set our journal as a whole to non-rebloggable and not have to worry about the issue every time we post something. OTOH, if we have a really really important post that we WANT the masses to see and pass around in anyway easiest / most familiar to them, then we could make that one single post re-bloggable.

Right now, due to fanlore's (and other people's) use of archive.is and other archives that think they are above international laws and hide behind the places neonazi and incel groups do (eg cloudflare), I've set my journal to access list only, with only a few PA posts made public. I was taken aback to be congratulated for taking control of 'my space', because it ws that expectation of privacy on a platofrm like LJ back in the day, when we made many posts public (how else could meta-news roundup lists exist - I learned so much and met so many new people, and miss that greatly. (Another feature I'd like on DW is the ability to have posts be "public" but ONLY to logged in users after they do a quick CAPTCHA (If you want to know more, you can read the thread here: https://dw-news.dreamwidth.org/38929.html?thread=5933329#cmt5933329 )
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[personal profile] satsuma 2018-12-14 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
mastodon has a reblog feature (they call it boosts, because software features are never allowed to have consistent names from platform to platform, apparently) but they let you turn seeing other peoples reblogs off on a sitewide or per-person basis, which I thought was a neat solution

they also don't allow comments on reblogs, on the theory that it reduces harassment (if you can only reblog posts that you 100% agree with, then people are less likely to dogpile or whatever) but I'm less sure of that one working on a longform content platform like DW

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[personal profile] rmc28 2018-12-08 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
Tag filtering is possible on a per-user, per-tag basis for the Reading page of a paid user.

A tutorial post here https://kore.dreamwidth.org/1321059.html takes you through it. I used it for the first time yesterday, although when I followed along I hadn't yet created a Default filter, so I did so, and threw all my currentsubscribe list into it, then added the specific tag from the specific user that I wanted to block.
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[personal profile] prettyarbitrary 2018-12-13 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
A thought on this front:

I agree Tumblr reblogs can do a lot of damage to human community boundaries. But on the other hand, the ability to reblog content so you can let people in on the context of a conversation you're involved in and would like to invite them in on CAN be a useful tool--one I've been feeling the lack of since I came back over here.

On Tumblr, when a post is reblogged, the original content of the post is frozen, but the OP loses control of it for purposes of editing, access, or deletion. They're unable to erase the presence of that post or break their own role in the conversation. Awesome for artists wanting attentio for their art, but bad for a meta writer who finds themselves embroiled in a controversy, targeted by abuse or just regrets what they posted.

On Pillowfort, the post remains forever and only in control of the OP, with the sole exception of who might see it, but they can also choose whether to reblog it or not to begin with. Awesome for the OP, bad for people wanting to engage in any kind of conversation - but also bad for bad actors who want to use it as an opportunity for abuse.

On LJ, as I recall, reblogging actually reposted the post, with a copy back to the original. But the reposter had the ability to edit their copy of the original post--which has the potential to create cases of misrepresentation in a heated debate, or diversion of attention/traffic from an artist who just wants proper credit.

What worked well for me on Tumblr, though, was that if you included a read-more in a post, then even if it was reblogged, that read-more acted as a cut back to the original post. Thus, anything I put under it stayed under my control for editing and deletion, but anything I put outside it was preserved and traveled with the reblogs.

A setup like this, with the added ability to control permission to reblog, could solve all the issues possibly?
* The OP could decide whether or not to set their content free to begin with
* The OP could decide how much of their content to protect or expose
* The OP would retain the ability to edit/amend/delete core content, and to remove themselves from the conversation
* The reblogger wouldn't face the threat of losing the context or content of any conversations that might build up around it
* Potential rebloggers would have the information they need to assess their risk and interest in reblogging
* AND it creates a context of its own--one that disavows the reblogger's ultimate responsibiilty for the content under the read-more, and adds a layer of protection against immediate, unwilling exposure to altered content--thus addressing concerns I've seen about "what if someone makes a widely circulated post on Pillowfort and then changes it to bestiality or something?"