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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2018-12-03 09:06 pm

Welcome to Dreamwidth, Tumblr folks!

With the new update to Tumblr's community guidelines announcing that they will no longer permit adult content on their site, we'd like to take a moment to reassure all y'all that we have your backs. With a very few exceptions (such as spam and the like), if it's legal under US law, it's okay to post here. We're 100% user-supported, with no advertisers and no venture capitalists to please, and that means we're here for you, not for shady conglomerates that buy up your data and use it in nefarious ways.

Tumblr's definition of "adult content" seems to be inherently visual, and I also wanted to remind people that we do have basic image hosting. (It's definitely not as slick and easy to use as Tumblr's, I won't lie, but it does exist.) If you want to include images in your posts, you can upload them and the site will give you HTML that you can paste into your entry. Or, if you have post-by-email set up, just attach the image to the end of your email and it'll be posted. All users have a 500MB image hosting quota right now. I know that's small for people looking for a place to host NSFW image blogs, but we are reviewing usage statistics to see if we can increase it, or at least make it possible for people to pay for more quota like you can for more icons.

For those asking whether we have a mobile app: we don't at the moment! There are many (soooooo many) prerequisites that we have to do first, which we've been working on but haven't yet finished, because we're dealing with a lot of systems and architecture decisions that were made nearly 20 years ago by now. (A mobile app would also be subject to the same censorship pressure Tumblr faced -- it's looking pretty good that Apple taking the Tumblr app out of the App Store was the proximate cause of Tumblr's content guidelines change, and Apple is notoriously strict on apps for sites that allow user-generated content -- so even once we have one, it's even odds on how long it'll be able to stay available for certain platforms.) We've been trying to improve the website's experience on small screens in the meantime, and that's an ongoing project that we'll do our best to devote some more attention to over the next few months.

Feel free to use the comments to this post to recommend communities to join and to make new friends, whether you're here for the first time as a Tumblr refugee or have been here since the start (and any range in between). To the newcomers: we're happy to have you join us. Welcome aboard!

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[personal profile] soc_puppet 2018-12-04 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
!!!!!
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[personal profile] beasts_of_homeworld 2018-12-04 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
we don't know anything about how possible the technical side of this would be, or if you've already thought of it, but what you said about conflict with private journalling got us thinking. especially since that's mainly what we're here for. what immediately came to mind was how, when you edit the date of a post, it brings up a checkbox saying "don't show on reading pages." could a "show in public tags"/"don't show in public tags" per-post toggle option work maybe? or per-journal if per-post is too much?

...like we said, we've no idea about how things function under the hood and you could well already be working with that idea or have considered and eliminated it as unfeasible, but we just thought we'd put it here in case of the slim chance it actually helped. <3

we super appreciate the privacy aspect of dw, and heavily use custom filters ourselves, but we also agree the site could probably benefit from more ways to find specific posts of interest outside one's circle, maybe? it'd be a handy way to find resources or content one needs/seeks that isn't available in the immediate areas one already knows, and possibly connect with new friends as well. though yeah, if there wasn't an option to avoid the attention, we'd be terrified to ever post public, haha. we already keep about 99.99% of our posts locked to only ourselves. x3 so long as inclusion is optional though, global tag-search would be a great feature.

we really appreciate that you're alert to the needs of your users and you're paying attention to the privacy/"i just want a quiet little corner" side of the matter already. we love that you're on top of this! thankyou! <3 <3 <3
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[personal profile] beasts_of_homeworld 2018-12-04 06:08 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, you folks here at dreamwidth always have our backs on this stuff. we've consistently seen you all supporting privacy, safety, and different interaction & site-use styles with every change and update you make. but it's still really good to hear that from you! <3

haha, yeah, poor programmer. we don't know much about coding but we've lurked around in linux developer communities a bit over the years, and vaguely picked up on some general stuff. so we know that sort of detail always needs sorted out before coding starts, it's not the programmer's job to handle diplomacy and negotiations, after all! XD we're glad you're taking the time to work it out and do things the right way.
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[personal profile] goodbyebird 2018-12-05 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
♥♥♥
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[personal profile] sophie 2018-12-17 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
You'd also need to be careful to distinguish "this post shows up in public tag lists" from "this post has a public/access-only/private security level". I could see some confusion resulting over that, especially if the expectation is "I didn't select for this to show up publicly, so I shouldn't be getting comments from people I don't know."
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[personal profile] arethinn 2018-12-05 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
That kind of division between journal-internal-only exposure of a tag and appearing in a public search is what I thought of, too. I do think it's a benefit of tumblr that you an broadcast to an unknown audience by tagging, because then you can catch people who may be interested but with whom you have no prior conneciton, but the fact that you're forced to is not good.
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[personal profile] kore 2018-12-04 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
conflicting hardcore with the use case of "I'm here for private journaling and don't want wider attention"

....yeah, I saw A LOT of wank on Tumblr with global tags, like when Elementary premiered and BBC Sherlock fans made that tag unusable by posting hate and yes porn and general awfulness in it. I also personally don't like the idea of my public posts being in a global tag stream that people feel free to hop into as if they're on Twitter, because that also leads to endless wank in my experience.
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[personal profile] extrapenguin 2018-12-04 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
May I suggest a second field for sitewide tags? So in addition to personal journal tags, there'd be another space where one could input global tags. Make it opt-in instead of opt-out, and let the site-wide tags be different to the (potentially idiosyncratic) journal-wide tags. (Example: a book is called The Bookname; one might have been tagging for it with The Bookname, while the "established" global tag might become Bookname. While one could retag with Manage Tags relatively easily, for people who have various prefixes in their tags for tag categorization, this'd be annoying.)
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2018-12-05 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I like this idea.
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[personal profile] arethinn 2018-12-05 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)

Then you need a potential army of tag wranglers like on AO3, though...

(testing commenting by email, here. hope it looks ok)

eta: Or, I suppose, you might want such an army, not necessarily need - after all, there isn't such wrangling on Tumblr, and I guess it mostly self-corrects by "if you spell your tag wrong, people won't see it, or the wrong people will see it" mechanism?

Edited (additional thoughts) 2018-12-05 19:17 (UTC)
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2018-12-06 12:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know - reading [personal profile] extrapenguin's idea again, it might not be ideal, since the first and main complaint from like, everyone (even I'm gonna do this at some point) likely will be, "Whoops, I just input private tags into the global tag box, I know I can blank out the tag and re-save the post to erase that but this private tag's already out there for the moment so what do I do now/how do I avoid this in the future", etc.

Other than that it's still a very interesting idea. I really want us to have (ideally #hashtags, because they've grown on me over the years despite not using Twitter to post my own thoughts since something like 2012!) a way to have global tags to attract readerships we don't or won't have otherwise.

The arguments for it are there.

Just looking at public posts on my own blog I can see where I'll get (and often, before posting, I *know* I'll get) at best anemic responses from my Circle where if the tags on those posts were globally available, I might get more positive responses (obviously from people I don't know or only know in passing, since after 100 10 years on DW I know a lot of people only in passing) and might even make more acquaintances to follow and be followed by, and that's mainly what I'm after: agreement on topics I'm passionate about and something in common with others to maybe sort of build off of, and global tags (or more easily discoverable ones, at the least) would be the best shortcut to that outcome I can think of.

We already have an excellent system in place in how DW sorts private vs. public tags so that even a tag in use on both public and private posts gets sorted correctly so private posts don't show up under the publicly available version of that tag, and it just impresses the heck out of me so much, so it looks to be the best system to build an expanded tag function off of that any more privacy-minded site like this one could have, and I just want to to rah-rah it to death but don't have many concrete ideas to lay down for it beyond that, at the moment.

(There's a whole other wishlist of mine and one of the things on it that relates to this is how I want to be able to sort private vs. public tags for use as a personal search feature, ie: "Only show me my own public uses of this tag, or only show me my own private uses of that one" but if I recall correctly it's a bit much to implement so might never make out of the thicket of ideas posted to DW Suggestions.)
Edited (typos, clarity) 2018-12-06 12:48 (UTC)
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[personal profile] anaraine 2018-12-06 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, you can do that last bit, of showing your own public/private uses of a tag, but you have to input it manually. (And I think you need to have a paid account too, but I don't want to log into an account that's not paid atm to double check.)

https://YOURUSERNAME.dreamwidth.org/security/private?tag=THETAG
https://YOURUSERNAME.dreamwidth.org/security/public?tag=THETAG
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2018-12-10 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I knew that from the days I put a Suggestion in for my idea (I think one or more DWers explained the URL parameters to me in comments to my post) but I wanted/still want a list to read through rather than URL parameters, so I can scan it from top to bottom sorted as I like by date rather than having to scroll. Thanks for the reminder, though!
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[personal profile] pauamma 2018-12-19 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
the "translate the site into other languages" volunteer teams
French represent!
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2018-12-05 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
That would be awesome, especially since I think it would vastly expand the connections across the site users could make.