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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2023-02-17 10:39 pm

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We founded Dreamwidth in 2008 with several guiding principles in mind, among them protecting your privacy and giving you as much control as possible over your data. Given those principles, we wish we could support California's AB 2273, the Age-Appropriate Design Act, a bill signed into law in September 2022 that California passed to put restrictions into place for children's online data privacy and protection. It's an important issue, and too many companies out there don't put enough attention towards protecting their users.

Unfortunately, the law as California wrote it is not a data privacy act: it's a backdoor censorship bill that threatens anonymity online, will require privacy-and-anonymity-conscious sites such as Dreamwidth to collect more identifying data about our users than we want or need to, and will force sites to remove or restrict access content the state of California feels is "harmful to children" independent of their own editorial judgement. Like the Communications Decency Act of 1996, overturned in the landmark Supreme Court case Reno vs ACLU (521 US 844 (1997)), we feel the law uses vague and undefined terms to impose prior restraint on the protected speech of adults. Its age-verification requirements will force us to violate your privacy and place an undue burden upon your use of the site by requiring us to use invasive measures to verify your ages: proposals for how sites should verify the ages of their users include requiring copies of government issued IDs (which would end anonymity online) and forcing sites to adopt unvalidated and scientifically bogus facial recognition technology to estimate user ages (which, in addition to ending anonymity online and being a breathtaking overreach, shuts out everyone who doesn't have access to a device that can capture image or video, blind people who struggle with lack of visual cues during the facial recognition process, and everyone whose age that technology mis-estimates).

Worse, though, the law also allows the state of California to determine, through an unaccountable administrative process, what content is "harmful to children" and force sites to age-lock that content. That will force us to designate a large amount of legal, protected speech as available only to accounts that have verified their age as being over 18. Given the terrible, hot-button political environment today, and using examples of laws that have already passed or are in the legislative process in other states about what sort of content is "harmful to children", that provision could require us to age-lock an entry written by a Black Dreamwidth user talking about experiencing police violence, a Muslim user talking about experiencing discrimination at work because of her choice to wear a hijab, a trans user talking about seeing their doctor for gender-affirming health care, a user talking about the process of accessing abortion services -- or even an entry that I post with an offhanded reference to my wife bringing me candy that went on half-price sale after Valentine's Day. There's a long history of content by marginalized people talking about their lives being considered "harmful for children", and we have no interest in furthering that disparate impact at the government's directive. We offer you the ability to age-lock your content for you to have more control over who can see it, and we object most strenuously to the idea that the government should force us to force you to use that ability when you don't want to.

There's been no shortage of terrible online content regulation bills that we strenuously oppose lately, so why are we telling you about this one? Because we were invited to provide a third-party declaration in support of the motion for a temporary injunction to stop the law taking effect in Netchoice v Bonta, the legal effort to invalidate the law as unconstitutional, in order to demonstrate to the court all the ways the law as written will impose a significant undue burden on small sites like us and on our users and to provide some examples of how the law will have a significant disparate impact on marginalized groups. We're proud to contribute in some small way in the fight against this terrible overreach of a bill. As a small site with a legal budget of, like, $3.81 and the lint I turned out of the pockets of my hoodie, we're thankful to industry advocacy group Netchoice for leading the fight (and giving us the chance to stand up with them) and to the kickass lawyers at Davis Wright Tremaine, who have been a delight to work with throughout the process of turning my tl;dr rant about why this is a terrible bill into something that we hope the court will find helpful.

You can read our declaration, which was filed today with the motion asking the court to stop the law from going into effect. The full docket for the lawsuit is available via RECAP, including the motion for injunction.
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[personal profile] teddywolf 2023-02-18 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I read through the whole thing, and one site item struck me: the .txt version was centered bit too much on the right and cut off the ends of lines, while the .pdf version did not.

Your points are judicious, cogent and to the point. One hopes they will pay attention, as this site is what they should nominally approve of but likely censor with the proposed law.
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[personal profile] kore 2023-02-18 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't have anything much to say except "yikes" and "THANK YOU" but they're both heartfelt, and I'm tickled at the image of you dancing and singing at getting to sue California.
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[personal profile] komikbookgeek 2023-02-18 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I admit this kind of legislation terrifies me. As a queer man, as a trans masc leaning nonbinary man. As a 2S man. As a pagan. As a N8V man. As a poor man.

I'm already fleeing one state for another due to politics.
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[personal profile] onewhitecrow 2023-02-18 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
The internet thanks you/loves you and your pocket lint back, for sure. <3
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[personal profile] inkycompass 2023-02-18 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for continuing to stand up for your principles and actual freedom of speech. I know you said you don't have a pressing need for financial support right now but as soon as my tax return comes in, I'm going to do a paid on one of my accounts.
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[personal profile] wraithmoon 2023-02-18 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm grateful to you and the rest of the DW team for doing the right thing. Thank you ♥
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[personal profile] elendraug 2023-02-18 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for everything you do for us, truly. <3
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[personal profile] bikergeek 2023-02-18 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for fighting the good fight. Keep on keepin' on.
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[personal profile] abheirrant 2023-02-18 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I stand by that you guys are one of the few sites online I trust, since you guys have been doing right by us for well over a decade. Thanks for all you do on our behalf!
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[personal profile] agoodwinsmith 2023-02-18 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you.
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[personal profile] tabaqui 2023-02-18 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the concise and clear relating of the issue at hand, and what DW is doing to protect their users. You are appreciated!

I'm kinda surprised AO3 didn't get pulled into this fight, as well, but I'm glad that someone from the fandom world is up front and in their faces.
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[personal profile] jarnetatron 2023-02-18 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Chiming in to express my gratitude for everything that you do and have made this place to be. <3
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2023-02-18 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the link to your declaration. It was really interesting to read and the last sentence was *chef's kiss*
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[personal profile] straktor 2023-02-18 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
> that provision could require us to age-lock
> an entry written by a Black Dreamwidth user talking about experiencing police violence,

Frankly, what's horrible with the idea "children should not know that Very Bad Things happen in USA"? As an adult you still have the freedom to read such entries, right?

The legal framework in USA that requires age check for renting/purchasing some video/printed contents exists for decades. "Federal law strictly prohibits the distribution of obscene matter to minors ..."

CA just enforces this with a bit of zealotry. You fear something else will be treated as obscenity but maybe it won't.

> a Muslim user talking about experiencing discrimination at work

How is this age-locked? I don't understand the reasoning.

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I agree that balance is broken with requirement to verify everyone in internet and that's just impractical. But the examples you mention are unrelated.
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[personal profile] megpie71 2023-02-18 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
My five cents as a user who isn't based in the USA - I don't want to have to hand your government any of my details, particularly when I know just how flimsy US data protection laws are. I'm in Australia, which firstly has a much more stringent censorship regime than the USA, and secondly, has firmer restrictions on what information our government departments are allowed to requisition, how they're allowed to store it, for how long and who they're allowed to share it with. Even with those restrictions, Australians still wind up with our personal information landing in places it shouldn't be, because humans are humans and government departments are run and staffed by humans.

I have to admit, at least part of my knee-jerk reaction to this particular law is along the lines of "you guys are all aware the internet is INTERNATIONAL, right?". Gods above, at least the Chinese government had the sense to admit to themselves their laws don't apply outside the Chinese border, and put up the Great Firewall to deal with the problem - they censor good and hard on the bits they control, and they don't let their users outside to play in the wider internet. It's draconic, but it's definitely preferable to the online imperialism inherent in declarations by individual US states (and the US congress) that they get to set the rules of the internet for the entire planet.
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[personal profile] stacys_musings 2023-02-19 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I suspect the goal is to restrict children's abilities to find healthy, creative outlets. Kids who are free to explore might, after all, come to conclusions about life that are detrimental to our consumerist economy. I grew up in the age of AOL, and had a LiveJournal Account as far back as 2004-2005. I wish there had been other sites when I was in my teens like Dreamwidth, where we are free to share and express ourselves.
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[personal profile] dragoness_e 2023-02-19 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Does anyone know if the OTW lawyers have gotten in on this yet? Because this horrific law sounds like it would impact AO3.
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[personal profile] tei 2023-02-19 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this post!

If this kind of legislation is becoming more popular around the world, are there counties that seem poised to be safe havens for registering/hosting websites?
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[personal profile] a_phoenixdragon 2023-02-19 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. Sometimes there are good laws with good intentions. Sometimes REALLY bad ones with good intentions. I believe the intentions are good, but this stinks on ice. Seems to be playing into the banning, censoring and hysteria that has taken over everything. Thank you for stepping in and fighting for all of us. If there is a good fight to wade into, seems this one is it.

*HUGS*
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[personal profile] mistressofmuses 2023-02-19 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for talking about this, and for providing your declaration. <3

[personal profile] ravensron 2023-02-19 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
When someone tells you "we're doing it for the children" keep the keys to the getaway car firmly in your hand, because it isn't for the children and what it is you ain't a gonna like it.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2023-02-19 06:31 am (UTC)(link)

just today I had to go through the goddamn rassenfrassen id.me system to collect unemployment checks, and I don't trust those assholes worth a damn, but I trust them a hell of a lot more than I trust the systems we'd have if MindGeek gets their way.

Thanks for doing this. xo

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[personal profile] chemicalcain 2023-02-19 06:35 am (UTC)(link)

Thank you for this.

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[personal profile] silveradept 2023-02-19 09:02 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for lending your voice to the complaint and for explaining what kinds of impacts the proposed law would have for Dreamwidth. The ease in which this law, even if crafted with 100% good intentions, could be copied and passed in states that are actively hostile to marginalized groups and will use it to censor them should be a reason to reject the bill out of hand. I appreciate that Dreamwidth is a place that thinks about features and services with at least some eye toward "what could the worst person in the world do with this?" and takes that into account.

I am also curious about how the lawmakers expect people who use public-access computer terminals, such as those provided by their local libraries, to comply with these age verification requirements, as library computers often do not have cameras installed on them, nor do they want to have them installed, nor do they think it would be a good idea for the decorum of the space to have a chorus of persons reading randomly-generated phrases for the websites they visit. (Plus, one wonders whether the system would be sufficiently good at filtering out a neighbor to get a meaningful response.)
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[personal profile] rhoda_rants 2023-02-19 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
I just want to say thank you for staying on top of this. That whole "Give us your IRL government ID!" thing is why I left FaceBook.

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