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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2015-01-18 10:00 pm

Dreamwidth News: 18 January 2015

Hello, Dreamwidth! Greetings from glorious Auckland, NZ, where we've been for this year's (It was a great conference! But then, it always is.) We decided to sneak in a code push while we were here, since we were in the same place and code pushes are always more fun when you can yell across the room when something breaks.

Behind the cut:

* Development
* Responsive-design conversion
* Reading page: custom colors for accounts going away
* Quicker Reply: reply from your reading page
* Warnings when you don't keyword an icon
* The country list
* SSL Everywhere


In addition to the things I'm about to talk about, the code tour for all the changes in this push is here:

Code Tour, 11 Aug 2014-17 Jan 2015

A particular welcome to new contributor [ profile] emhoracek, and congrats to [personal profile] azurelunatic's first code contribution.

Responsive-design conversion

I first started talking about our responsive design converstion a while back. We're continuing on with our conversion of various pages on the site to use the new responsive framework, and this time around (in addition to pages that are visited less often or pages that are part of something else), we have converted the beta Create Entries page. There should be no functional change, but some minor visual ones.

We've also converted multiple small pages (such as the admin pages and a lot of tool pages and misc endpoints).

Finally, we've taken the page to join/unjoin communities and the page to subscribe to people or to grant them access and squished them together, with different things displayed depending on what you're trying to do with it. This page, too, has also been converted to our new responsive design.

You can report problems with any of these pages in the new sticky entry in [site community profile] dw_beta.

Reading page: custom colors for accounts going away

You may notice that as part of the previous change, from now on when you're adding people to your circle, you can no longer specify custom colors for them on your reading page. We ran some stats and discovered that fewer than .8% of subscriptions use custom colors. With such a small percentage of people using the feature, we're going to be removing it: it's not worth the work it will take for us to convert it.

If you are using custom colors: please copy down the information now! You will still be able to set and view the custom colors for a little while, but once we finish transitioning away from the feature, you won't be able to set or view them anymore. For now, you can still set or change custom colors by going to the Manage Circle page.

Before we remove the feature entirely, we'll give you instructions on how to achieve the same effect on your reading page using custom CSS.

Quicker Reply: reply from your reading page

The feature that let you reply to a comment without having to load a separate page to get the reply form, added to LJ lo these many moons ago, was called QuickReply. We've added QuickerReply: the ability to reply to an entry from your reading page without having to leave your reading page.

To take advantage, use the 'Reply' link on your reading page: it will display a reply form right there on your reading page. (If you still want to read other comments before adding yours, use the "# comments" link, not the Reply link.)

Warnings when you don't keyword an icon

As many people have noticed: if you upload an icon without adding a keyword, the icon is assigned a "pic###" automatic keyword. The bad news is, those automatic keywords are not 'real' keywords, and they can result in all kinds of errors and all kinds of weird problems.

So, from now on, if you have an icon that was given the "pic###" default automatic keywords, the Edit Icons page will warn you that those icons may behave oddly in all kinds of places, and you should give them keywords.

The country list

Many people have noticed that the list of countries available for selection on the profile was very out of date. (I believe it was the list from LiveJournal's inception in 1998 with a little bit of tweaking here and there since.) We've discussed how to update that list multiple times: the question of "what counts as a country" is very difficult (and often very political).

It's gotten more and more urgent lately, though, since it's been so long since we've updated the list. We've decided that we're going to outsource our checks -- and our decision of "what counts as a country" -- to somebody else: starting with this code push, we're using the Perl module Locale::Codes::Country. This means that the hard questions are somebody else's!

If you notice that there's a country missing from the list, let us know and we'll look into it.

SSL Everywhere

We've had multiple people asking us why it's not possible to browse the entire site in SSL. The answer is very convoluted, but it involves the fact that user-generated content loading data from all over the internet is very, very hard to serve via SSL without problems. (If you serve secure and non-secure content on the same page, browsers complain a lot, and sometimes refuse to load at all.)

[staff profile] mark and [personal profile] fu have been working really hard to fix a lot of those questions, though. We have a lot of code in this release to make it possible for you to browse the site via HTTPS. We're not turning it on as a default everywhere yet, because there are inevitably a ton of bugs, but you can now manually request things from and get it that way. (In fact, please do; it will help with testing.)

Once we're satisfied that it works, we'll be releasing it more widely to everyone.


That's it from us for another update! As always, if you're having problems with Dreamwidth, Support can help you; for notices of site problems and downtime, check the Twitter status page; if you've got an idea to make the site better, you can make a suggestion. (I'm a lot behind on the suggestions queue, though, just as a warning.)

Comment notifications may be delayed for up to an hour or two, due to the high volume of notifications generated after an update is posted to [site community profile] dw_news. This was posted just after 2200 New Zealand time, 18 Jan. (see in your time zone). Please don't worry about missing notifications until at least two hours after that.
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testing quickerreply

[personal profile] allchildren 2015-01-18 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
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Re: testing quickerreply

[personal profile] allchildren 2015-01-18 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I missed the tag arrow thing at first, but after seeing a couple examples I have to chime in with my agreement that it is super visually confusing and not necessary at all.
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[personal profile] daimonion 2015-01-18 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I know a bunch of people have complained about the arrows already so far, but I wanted to mention that it makes mobile browsing a bit more annoying, since now there's more of a chance to click on a tag you didn't mean to because of all the little arrows everywhere.

ETA: I say this as someone who frequently browses DW on a tablet.

Also the account creation page looks ugly, but that's just me being picky.
Edited 2015-01-18 22:31 (UTC)
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[personal profile] xtina 2015-01-18 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
...damn, the Create Entries page got large.

[eta] Also, I had had a script that set the default security setting to Private. It does it now, but the label doesn't update unless I use the box, which is disconcerting at best.
Edited (Reasons.) 2015-01-18 23:07 (UTC)

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[personal profile] prettygoodyear 2015-01-18 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
For some reason my custom "locked" and "private" icons don't seem to work anymore on my journal. Does this have anything to do with the recent changes? I just checked the code and I didn't change anything, it's just not working anymore and I now have the standard icons back in place again. Help?

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[personal profile] melannen 2015-01-18 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Should I be seeing some kind of change in behavior from the "quicker reply" already? If I'm not, is it probably because my journal style is old and crufty?

(this time it's not because my browser is old and crufty because it doesn't work in my new non-crufty browser either. ;P)

It sounds really cool though! I hope it works for me someday!
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[personal profile] momijizukamori 2015-01-18 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
If you just want to give it a look-see, you can go to 'pick a style' and use the preview to see your journal in one of the styles that has it! But from the look of it, you're using a custom style of some variety, and the change is only on site styles.

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[personal profile] curser 2015-01-18 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll chime in with the few mentions of the icon browser. Not only is there superfluous space now, but the font has changed to something really visually unappealing and it no longer displays the full context of what's being displayed.

Example: the comments aren't wrapping around like the keywords are and words are being cut off, which kind of makes the purpose of them being up there pointless.

I know things aren't perfect on first bump overs, but I'm also hoping this is something that you guys are looking into fixing? Or is this something we're going to have to just get used to, because as is, it's far more clunky looking than it used to be.
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[personal profile] 1179875 2015-01-18 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! :D
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[personal profile] sisyphus 2015-01-19 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Going to chime in on the create entries issue. I believe it's only happening in "Celerity," from what I'm seeing. The white space takes up the right half of the page and there's no option to widen the entry box, only lengthen it.

If it's possible to add something so users can widen the box, I think it'd be okay. Otherwise it's a super tiny place to type an entry with a bunch of wasted space.
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[personal profile] soc_puppet 2015-01-19 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I guess I'm going to be a dissenting opinion on visuals re: the new tag arrows. I actually kinda like how they space out the various tags; makes each of them feel more individual to me and the overall effect less like a Giant Wall Of Text when there's a lot of them.

That said, I can't see myself ever using the tag arrows. I would just prefer to click on a tag and browse the posts it's used on rather than explore post-by-post. If I did want to do something like that, I'd prefer it to be a bit more like the gmail classic setup, where you can click on a label and "newer" and "older" will take you to the next or previous e-mail in that label. Maybe with a variant color and/or label somewhere to indicate that you're going through a specific tag rather than the entire journal/community.

As for the visuals, that's an effect I can reproduce on my own, in my personal journal, if I want to badly enough.
Edited 2015-01-19 00:26 (UTC)
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[personal profile] pantswarrior 2015-01-19 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
Whew - I was seriously wondering if I was the only person who thought the tag arrows actually made a long list of tags EASIER to read, due to the lack of Wall Of Text. Heh.

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[personal profile] pohutukaryl 2015-01-19 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
I must be the one roleplayer who likes the tag arrows, myriad tags and all - when I'm looking through one tag, it saves me keeping the original journal/tag/tag name page open in another tag :)
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[personal profile] soc_puppet 2015-01-19 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
BTW, is there a way to "collapse" QuickerReply if I decide I don't have anything I want to say, or is refreshing the page the only way?

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<<< tag arrows be like this to my eyes

[personal profile] picaro 2015-01-19 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
I'd like to chime in with the group who has already spoken up against the new arrows next to the tags. Or attached to them, it's really hard to tell what it's supposed to be for me for some reason. Other users already posted very good screencaps as examples why they just don't work well on posts with more than three tags, but even looking at posts with this little already has me just go No at it on both an aesthetic and practical level.

They just seem to call for ten-thousand mis-clicks and wasted space and time in favor for a feature that is basically redundant the way it is now. Please correct me if I'm off, but the way I see it those arrows save you one click if you want to just see the next post with the same tag, but theoretically would take you a lot more of clicks/loading pages if you don't know exactly when in chronological order the post you want to see is.

Design-wise they just serve to make the tag-sections in posts look cluttered, visually disjointed and bloated, depending on how you look at them. (They also remind me a bit of HTML gone wild.) I tried to come up with some suggestions to improve this issue for some hours, but unfortunately I can't think of any that'd really help matters - smaller arrows don't fix the cluttered look or the chance for mis-clicking when trying to check out tags, and neither does a continued line.

Tl;Dr: It'd be really, really, REALLY great if those arrows could be an optional thing for those who want and use them, but please don't force them on the rest of us with a "well, they were requested".

I'm also a bit confused about how you can speak about having made a poll and the "majority" wanting them when you link said poll with exactly 18 "yes" votes for it. I don't know how many users DW has for sure, but I'd like to think that it's enough to make 18 nowhere a representative amount of the majority of them.

That said I don't want to ignore the effort you keep putting into DW and how you improve it while also being actually open to communication with your userbase. A big thank you for that!
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[personal profile] illusional 2015-01-19 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I like the idea of the tag arrows, but maybe they'd be easier to look at if there was no space between the tag and the arrow? Or if they used a shorter arrow instead of a longer one? That could help the arrows look more connected to the tags they work for!

← tag β†’

No Spaces:

Smaller Arrow:
< tag >
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[personal profile] withbite 2015-01-19 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
I think that would run the problem of not knowing which thing you were hovering over, the arrow or the tag itself. at least with the space, you can tell by the slight color change that you're on one or the other.

Someone wrote a greasemonkey script that effectively removed them and honestly? That's good enough for me.
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[personal profile] pebblerocker 2015-01-19 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
I LOVE that DW now uses the browser's font size instead of shrinking the text to unreadably small sizes! Thank you!! The change doesn't affect me because other sites still have stupid fonts so I still have to make my browser override everything, but it's great for general accessibility!
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slight visual hitch with the create entry page

[personal profile] dormition 2015-01-19 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
I am actually really loving the new sleek layout to the icon browser and create entries pages. Definitely a couple hiccups here and there to resolve, but on my uber-widescreen monitor, it looks great, haha.

I did run into some mis-aligned boxes in the create entry page that I thought I'd report: as seen here.
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Re: slight visual hitch with the create entry page

[personal profile] guidingheart 2015-01-19 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
Oh good, I thought that was just me. (Also I can't help but think the post button looks ... kind of old-fashioned? Maybe I'm just used to minimalist flat colours being used everywhere now.)
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[personal profile] kikibug13 2015-01-19 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
Has anyone reported yet the problem where e-mail notifications are currently not loading icons? I know I'm not the only one. It did not start at the time when the code push was completed, but definitely over the last 8-10 hours it's an issue. I see the keywords for the icon, but not the icon itself.

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[personal profile] ozqueen 2015-01-19 08:32 am (UTC)(link)
I LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH ♥ Thank you for all your hard work, and for making this such a fun and friendly place to visit.
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[personal profile] quirkytizzy 2015-01-19 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, I just noticed you added the edit again option in the post-post page. THAT IS AWESOME THANK YOU!
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[personal profile] ukefied 2015-01-19 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
I'm just testing the amazing new reply feature.
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[personal profile] shanaqui 2015-01-19 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Not sure where I should report this feedback, but someone in my dwircle asked me to because it's not just me. There's a huge amount of dead space in the new design of the create entries page -- I have that problem with a lot of DW pages because I have an 18 inch screen, but it seems worse than it was -- there's 3.5 inches at least of dead space on each side for me.
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[personal profile] cesy 2015-01-19 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Which site scheme are you using? [site community profile] dw_beta is where they're collecting all the feedback on it, and there are Stylish fixes in the meantime.

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[personal profile] ashkitty 2015-01-19 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry if this is a stupid question--how does the new country menu work exactly? Is it going to update on its own, or do we have to type a thing in? It still seems very short (and my country isn't on it--I'd love to be able to put Wales in, but if I have to use United Kingdom, probably won't bother. I acknowledge the whole complicated political 'what is a country' thing.)

I don't really see the point of the tag arrows, other than to make it harder to click on the right one. Maybe other people use tags differently than I do; I can't envision a scenario where I need to scroll through them. They're a bit of a visual nightmare, but probably not the end of the world as we know it. Personally I like to keep things as minimalist as possible and just open new tabs when I need them; I know not everyone has the same idea.

I do like the quick reply though! I won't always use it, since I like having tabs open to keep track of what I need to do, but since that option still exists, it's like the 'expand cut' thing-if I DON'T want to bother having a whole tab it's great to have another option!
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[personal profile] daweaver 2015-01-19 07:14 pm (UTC)(link)
They're using a list that an international standards body maintains. Ultimately, the Dreamwidth list of "countries" should be identical to this list of "entities deemed to be countries by ISO".

(Pointless note: not all of these are sovereign states or members of the United Nations in their own right.)

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[personal profile] syntaxofthings 2015-01-19 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I never even realized what the colors for subscriptions *does* or if it does anything.

QuickerReply! :D :D :D

I'm very excited to have a responsive create entries page as I seem to often have a twice-weekly post that I need to post from my phone because busy. But on the computer it acts... oddly. I can't decide if I just don't understand it yet or if things aren't working quite well. I may be at [site community profile] dw_beta at some point.

[personal profile] jade_pop 2015-01-19 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I never even realized what the colors for subscriptions *does* or if it does anything.

I suspect it's reasons like this that so, so few people use custom colors.

Anyway, to answer your question, they're supposed to make it so you can tell where/who a post on your reading page is from at a glance. It was actually more helpful back on LJ since a lot of styles there have usernames/community usernames under the icons.

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[personal profile] fascination 2015-01-19 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay, code push! :3 I like many of the changes and there are some useful features in the update page beta! (I like the change in date format on the 'edit entries' page - I prefer the ISO format being used to the Month/Day/Year that was used before. It's a small change, but one I like.)

I have a few questions about the country drop-down menus: is it possible to remove 'United States' from the top of country lists? It makes it seem as though it's the most important country on the list. :/ (Another alternative would be to have common countries that people register from near the top of the list.) Would it be possible to do a write-in country?

I agree with many of the other people here that the arrows next to the tags make them more difficult to read - I think spacing may sort them out, as I think they're a good idea in theory.
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[personal profile] elizabeth_rice 2015-01-19 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Love QuickerReply.

Tag arrows: Visually, I actually like the arrows because I've never been able to distinguish the comma separating the tags in the tags field when the entry has multiple tags. However, functionally, I don't see any purpose to have arrows. If I want to check the previous or next entries of a particular tag, I just have to click on that tag itself. This way I get to scroll up and down all the entries using that tag. With the arrows, I can only view one entry at a time and I find that troublesome.

Edit: I'm re-evaluating my initial response. I'm currently browsing some comms and they have Day 1, Day 2 etc tags. I'm definitely seeing a use for the arrows feature here. So here's my suggestion:

Can we make this a communities-only feature? Personal journals are usually not organised the way that communities are. This arrows feature might be more useful in a community.
Edited (Suggestion) 2015-01-19 17:16 (UTC)
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Re: Feedback

[personal profile] cesy 2015-01-20 08:03 am (UTC)(link)
I've seen personal journals where this is useful and communities where it isn't, so I don't think that will solve it.

Re: Feedback

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[personal profile] swaldman 2015-01-19 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Just a couple of comments re the arrows, for what it's worth,

1. I like the functionality and will find it useful - thank you.
2. I think that in some styles, it looks rather cluttered. (in Ceil, which I use, it looks fine - but I agree that some of the screenshots that people have posted are nasty. A lot of this may be to do with link underlining.)
3. I think that what's needed is not for wholesale changes to the functionality, but for styles to be adjusted to take account of the new feature and render it nicely.

Just a personal view :-)

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