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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2015-01-18 10:00 pm

Dreamwidth News: 18 January 2015

Hello, Dreamwidth! Greetings from glorious Auckland, NZ, where we've been for this year's (It was a great conference! But then, it always is.) We decided to sneak in a code push while we were here, since we were in the same place and code pushes are always more fun when you can yell across the room when something breaks.

Behind the cut:

* Development
* Responsive-design conversion
* Reading page: custom colors for accounts going away
* Quicker Reply: reply from your reading page
* Warnings when you don't keyword an icon
* The country list
* SSL Everywhere


In addition to the things I'm about to talk about, the code tour for all the changes in this push is here:

Code Tour, 11 Aug 2014-17 Jan 2015

A particular welcome to new contributor [ profile] emhoracek, and congrats to [personal profile] azurelunatic's first code contribution.

Responsive-design conversion

I first started talking about our responsive design converstion a while back. We're continuing on with our conversion of various pages on the site to use the new responsive framework, and this time around (in addition to pages that are visited less often or pages that are part of something else), we have converted the beta Create Entries page. There should be no functional change, but some minor visual ones.

We've also converted multiple small pages (such as the admin pages and a lot of tool pages and misc endpoints).

Finally, we've taken the page to join/unjoin communities and the page to subscribe to people or to grant them access and squished them together, with different things displayed depending on what you're trying to do with it. This page, too, has also been converted to our new responsive design.

You can report problems with any of these pages in the new sticky entry in [site community profile] dw_beta.

Reading page: custom colors for accounts going away

You may notice that as part of the previous change, from now on when you're adding people to your circle, you can no longer specify custom colors for them on your reading page. We ran some stats and discovered that fewer than .8% of subscriptions use custom colors. With such a small percentage of people using the feature, we're going to be removing it: it's not worth the work it will take for us to convert it.

If you are using custom colors: please copy down the information now! You will still be able to set and view the custom colors for a little while, but once we finish transitioning away from the feature, you won't be able to set or view them anymore. For now, you can still set or change custom colors by going to the Manage Circle page.

Before we remove the feature entirely, we'll give you instructions on how to achieve the same effect on your reading page using custom CSS.

Quicker Reply: reply from your reading page

The feature that let you reply to a comment without having to load a separate page to get the reply form, added to LJ lo these many moons ago, was called QuickReply. We've added QuickerReply: the ability to reply to an entry from your reading page without having to leave your reading page.

To take advantage, use the 'Reply' link on your reading page: it will display a reply form right there on your reading page. (If you still want to read other comments before adding yours, use the "# comments" link, not the Reply link.)

Warnings when you don't keyword an icon

As many people have noticed: if you upload an icon without adding a keyword, the icon is assigned a "pic###" automatic keyword. The bad news is, those automatic keywords are not 'real' keywords, and they can result in all kinds of errors and all kinds of weird problems.

So, from now on, if you have an icon that was given the "pic###" default automatic keywords, the Edit Icons page will warn you that those icons may behave oddly in all kinds of places, and you should give them keywords.

The country list

Many people have noticed that the list of countries available for selection on the profile was very out of date. (I believe it was the list from LiveJournal's inception in 1998 with a little bit of tweaking here and there since.) We've discussed how to update that list multiple times: the question of "what counts as a country" is very difficult (and often very political).

It's gotten more and more urgent lately, though, since it's been so long since we've updated the list. We've decided that we're going to outsource our checks -- and our decision of "what counts as a country" -- to somebody else: starting with this code push, we're using the Perl module Locale::Codes::Country. This means that the hard questions are somebody else's!

If you notice that there's a country missing from the list, let us know and we'll look into it.

SSL Everywhere

We've had multiple people asking us why it's not possible to browse the entire site in SSL. The answer is very convoluted, but it involves the fact that user-generated content loading data from all over the internet is very, very hard to serve via SSL without problems. (If you serve secure and non-secure content on the same page, browsers complain a lot, and sometimes refuse to load at all.)

[staff profile] mark and [personal profile] fu have been working really hard to fix a lot of those questions, though. We have a lot of code in this release to make it possible for you to browse the site via HTTPS. We're not turning it on as a default everywhere yet, because there are inevitably a ton of bugs, but you can now manually request things from and get it that way. (In fact, please do; it will help with testing.)

Once we're satisfied that it works, we'll be releasing it more widely to everyone.


That's it from us for another update! As always, if you're having problems with Dreamwidth, Support can help you; for notices of site problems and downtime, check the Twitter status page; if you've got an idea to make the site better, you can make a suggestion. (I'm a lot behind on the suggestions queue, though, just as a warning.)

Comment notifications may be delayed for up to an hour or two, due to the high volume of notifications generated after an update is posted to [site community profile] dw_news. This was posted just after 2200 New Zealand time, 18 Jan. (see in your time zone). Please don't worry about missing notifications until at least two hours after that.

[personal profile] ex_lockcade543 2015-01-18 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, Quicker Reply... this is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.
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[personal profile] vanessagalore 2015-01-18 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
OK I have no idea if this is possible...

Can the arrows on the tags show *only* if you are hovering? I agree that they are aesthetically not very pleasing.
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
"on hover" is somewhat problematic when displaying on devices that don't support it (eg, many mobile platforms)

It'd be a cleaner solution if it wasn't an accessibility concern. I struggled a lot with the display options and couldn't really find a Good Answer.
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[personal profile] grimreaping 2015-01-18 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
While I like the concept of the tag arrows, another +1 roleplayer here that these are clunky in any post with a lot of tags, like entries in game comms get to be. Plus navigating them from my phone means I have to zoom in even more, and now have two bookended "wrong links" I can press instead of the tag I was looking for.

THAT SAID for the rare times I use my personal journal, or I'm following something in a personal journal where tags are used far more sparingly, I can see this being helpful. So I'm hoping there's a disable or change option coming soon, because I'd keep this on viewing journal entries but remove them from comm entries, for myself.

ETA: Holy bugger did this update ever break the Create Entry page, please fix this ASAP. I've tried disabling the Stylish scripts I'm running on DW and none of them are causing this (and they all work as normal on non-"fixed" pages).
Edited 2015-01-20 03:39 (UTC)
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[personal profile] merithew 2015-01-18 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)
is this why all my pictures vanished from my posts that I'd posted by email?
will they come back?
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[personal profile] katherine 2015-01-18 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Hah I think I may have the same thing going on, I landed on a 2013 post without a posted-by-email image showing (when trying out the previous entry with this post arrow in fact) but assumed it was something I'd done incorrectly back in the day.
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[personal profile] ruriair 2015-01-18 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't want to be That Guy aka add to the complaints re: the arrows, but... that's because I figured I could just use CSS to hide them. However, I'm not seeing anything that would distinguish them from .tag li a so now if you look at my tags on my entries with custom entry pages enabled, I get little images next to the arrows that I was using to decorate each listed tag. I do this with a lot of layouts I design so uh. Is there a trick here to distinquish it from actual listed tags or could you at least at add some kind of name to the arrows like .tagnavprev and .tagnavnext so I can say "BEGONE VILE CREATURE"?

That said, while I kind of get the purpose of tag arrows, it still seems redundant since scrolling through the tag "feed" of all the respective entries accomplished the same thing already in a simpler way. Especially redundant when the arrows show up in the tag feed itself. Like I see the next and previous entry already. Why are you there. Why you do.

Also lemme tell you on my Galaxy s5 in Chrome the new design's navigation menu does not work properly. I get the menu but no background to it. (Yes I was awake at 3am; no I don't care about getting enough rest before work apparently.)
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I, erm. Haven't done much-if-any CSS work myself, so I completely forgot to consider that it might be a thing that people would want to get a handle on. Oops.

There absolutely should be something to name them specifically, and right now there isn't.

(As for the 'navigating through tags' - it adds the option to be able to step through entries in ascending chronology. the tag pages display only in reverse chronology, and inverting the order there does bad things to the server cache)
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[personal profile] trobadora 2015-01-18 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Chiming in about the tag arrows - they really make tags very hard to read! And since the link underline breaks between the arrow and the tag text, it looks like the arrows are all separate tags when I'm trying to read them. My eyes can't jump from tag to tag, they're stopped at every arrow. :(
Edited 2015-01-18 15:28 (UTC)
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[personal profile] venusinthenight 2015-01-18 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, they're a PITA to read. Hello, sensory overload! (Especially if there are a lot of tags to get through!.)
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[personal profile] solitarywalker 2015-01-18 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Loading this page as https produces a Not Found error, as does my reading page. (I'm guessing you just don't have some areas working yet, and it's better to produce an error than to just silently fall back to http.)

I'll repeat my suggestion to have an option to replace http content with placeholders on https pages. Seems like that might cut down on "mixed content" problems with https reading pages, for those who are willing to see placeholders instead of embedded images/videos.

Glad you're working on this!
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[personal profile] redbird 2015-01-18 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Ditto: I tried going to my reading page with https, manually entering "" and got a "you may be eaten by a grue" 404 page.

HTTPS issue

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[personal profile] scarimonious 2015-01-18 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Adding another "do not want" on the tag arrows thing. If the arrows were smaller or the tag text in bold, something to differentiate it, it might not be so difficult to read. The other thing is that while I understand the function of the tag arrows, that's...not beneficial to the way I use my journal. It'd be nice to have an opt-out for people who don't want/use things that way.
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[personal profile] lucifuge5 2015-01-18 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Yays for the quick reply format (I'm using it right now and loving it!)

I'm decidedly less enthused with the tag arrows thing. To me, they're aesthetically unpleasing. Also, although I sorta understand their reason for being, they're not something I seem myself needing. It'd be neat if their use was an opt-in.

Other than that, I'm digging the rest of the benefits for this last code push.

[personal profile] jazzyjj 2015-01-18 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Ditto from me on the Quicker Reply feature. I honestly haven't had enough time on here as of late due to a rather odd computer issue for which I've been trying my darndest to find a solution. Or perhaps it's 2 separate issues, I know not. Nothing accessibility-related though. But anyway, everything looks great from a screen reader perspective on the Mac. Just now as I was beginning to type in my reply, I noticed that the word "message" appeared before the edit field. I am eager to test out other edit fields on here to see if the same thing is true. I liked the way it was before, but I think this is even better. I'm off to try and warm up a bit by eating some lunch which I just nuked. We've had an ongoing problem with the heat in my building, but hopefully this will be fixed by the new owners. Anyway, keep up the excellent work Dreamwidth! Also, welcome to the newest dev!
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[personal profile] musyc 2015-01-18 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Green fishies, this is a longer comment than I planned to make. Thank you, [staff profile] denise, for being talkative yourself and upping the character limit. XD

Technical details: Firefox 34.0.5 (at this particular moment, to HELL with their update schedule, god. Ahem.). Windows Vista home premium, SP2. 1280x800.

Tag arrows: Very. Happy. that they do not appear on my read or recent pages. I didn't see what people were talking about until I checked one of my tags.

I have to be in agreement with several other users in the comments here. The arrows are really visually distracting on any entry with more than ... oh, two or three tags. I think the max tags I've ever used on one entry is a couple dozen, and that is such a barrage of arrows that I can't imagine how people with more than that are seeing them.

That's just on read/recent, in my journal style. In site pages, well. I use Tropo Purple and the arrows are just.... I can't focus on them. They make the entire tag section look like a banner ad and I skip right over it. Trying to look through them for one tag is as difficult as trying to read ROT47 without decryption. It's just visual noise.

The arrows need a class so that they can be eliminated in CSS, at the very minimum. (Though that won't help on site schemes. :/ ) An option to opt-out of them entirely would be fantastic. They are really distracting.

Create entries beta page: Whoa, whitespace. WHIIIIIIIITESPACE. Way too much. I changed my browser font default to fourteen and it made the headings on the modules a whole lot better, but now I can't read the comments in this page, way too small. ETA: Okay, changing my 'minimum font size' to twelve fixed that tiny text issue for me. It's the site scheme .XXem code that's doing that, right? On the other hand, having my browser font default to fourteen screwed my reading pages, so I put it back to sixteen and the huge headers issue in the modules is apparently unavoidable. :\

The pure size of the modules is massive. The icon selection module is almost (exactly?) half the size of the entry text box, with a ton of wasted space either side of the icon.

I do like the hover-color on the buttons in modules, though the border around the buttons could stand to be a bit darker (or bolder? Or the buttons could be a different unhovered color entirely. Something. Making them fit into the 'flat' aesthetic that's currently fashionable makes them disappear into the background.) The switching of placement for the post button ... ehhhhh. Now there's two 'post entry' buttons that are less than a hundred pixels apart and it seems even more silly to have two than before.

Minor quibble - The public/private/etc drop-down menu goes down, no matter how close it is to the bottom of the screen. The 'post as' drop-down menu goes down if it's near the top of the screen, but if it's near the bottom, it goes up. I don't know what that's a result of, but it's weird. Either all down or all up, but a mixture looks strange.

Also, the preview/spellcheck buttons would look better if left-aligned with the rest of the column.

I also do like that the user menu in the very top bar is spaced out a little better than it is on non-responsive pages, especially the couple of extra pixels between my user name and the log-out button.

Quicker reply: Okay, that's pretty awesome. Most of the time I want to read the comments on an entry before responding, but occasionally I'm the first one in, and this saves a tab.
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[personal profile] eemilyvr1 2015-01-18 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the concept of the tag arrows but the design implementation is not working for me. Even with relatively few tags on an entry it seems very visually cluttered and makes me glad I don't usually navigate dw on mobile. I'd like to see the feature itself stay and be something you can opt out of but I think it needs more then a simple on/off. My preferred redesign would drop the underline and shrink the arrow a bit and possibly bold the tag.

And on another note, like [personal profile] merithew all photos I've posted by email have disappeared. Not accessible even on
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[personal profile] lot 2015-01-18 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Quicker reply = the new love of my life.
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[personal profile] uncurse 2015-01-18 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Question about quicker reply!

The browse function isn't popping up for my paid accounts when I opt for quick reply. Is this a result of the CSS in my layout or is the browse function not a part of the quicker reply code yet? Because it works fine in the full-page-entry comment quick reply thing, but not when I try to do quicker reply to an entry from my reading page.

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[personal profile] jhumor 2015-01-18 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Mobile version (iPad using safari) is doing odd stuff, won't keep me logged in, pages with lots of tags are taking up too much room now, etc. I'm currently without a computer, but judging by the comments, this seems to be a mobile only issue.
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[personal profile] the 2015-01-18 06:45 pm (UTC)(link)
lol i used those exact unicode arrows in my actual tags themselves so this looks hella confusing and ugly buuut i have over 200+ tags so i guess i'll just deal with it

i like the idea but implementation not so much

eta: you see what i mean here ew
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[personal profile] retsuko 2015-01-18 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoa, QuickerReply is the best! Thanks! :D
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[personal profile] muccamukk 2015-01-18 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The quicker reply function is fantastic. Thanks for adding it :D

I would like to add to the chorus asking for options to customise and turn off the little arrows on the tags. I probably won't use them, and they're pretty distracting.

I'm also a sad hotmail user, but I will try to find the support ticket so they can sort it out on their end.
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[personal profile] midgardener 2015-01-18 07:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Now that I actually understand what responsive sites are, I am stoked as hell for DW to go that way!
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[personal profile] kate 2015-01-18 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Holy crap do I love QuickerReply. LOVE. <333333333
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[personal profile] ridezeshoopuf 2015-01-18 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
regarding the issue with Hotmail blocking notifications: what is going to happen if you don't know your password and you need to reset it? This happened with an account of mine and the recovery email is hotmail.

the one account i use another password for fml
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[personal profile] dreamstars 2015-01-18 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Question! A friend and I (not sure if it's happening to anyone else) keep getting pages that look like this. This happens for her in Firefox, and I'm on Chrome right now. Typing in the full URL or trying to navigate around it - like going from the profile page and stuff - doesn't seem to help. Will it be temporary, do you think? Or might it be that the layout or something is clashing with the new code? I hope we can fix it :(

Thank you for your time and all your hard work!

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[personal profile] pottershotter 2015-01-18 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I just wanted to chime in that while I usually love the changes you guys make to DW, I also think the tags look clunky as they are now with the arrows, especially on posts with a lot of tags. It's hard to read and very difficult to scan through the tags to find the one you want to click (or in the case of RP, to see if a certain character has replied), which shouldn't be the case in a tag system at all.

I debated about chiming in, since I didn't think I had much more to say than anyone else, but when getting that example I noticed that on the main page of the community tags look like they did before the push but when you go into a specific tag tags have the arrows, or at least that's how it displays on my end in multiple different communities. Is that intentional? If I were to use the function myself, I feel like it would be more useful in the main community than in the individual tags (not that it shouldn't be in there, but it surprised me that it was in one and not the other).

I really don't think it looks good at all though. I do understand what you guys were going for and how it could be useful, but it really removes a lot of the functionality the tag system already had that gets used on a daily basis to do in-depth tag searching that probably isn't being done nearly as often. Personally, I use tags daily to seek out my own posts or the posts of others in communities, and it's easier to scroll back through that tag instead of remembering "oh my post was made right before this other post I'm in", but it's actually clunky enough that in large posts with LOTS of tags, I feel like I need to hit ctrl+f to find what I'm looking for instead of being able to easily see what I need like I could before. The option to turn them off (and to let moderators turn them off of their communities) would be really great.

That being said, I do love QuickerReply like a lot and I will probably be using that all the time, and I actually really like how browsing icons for comments looks now too (it shows up sleek and easier to read). Thank you for reading all of this and for listening to everyone. ♥
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[personal profile] jordannamorgan 2015-01-22 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
I can give you a possible explanation re: the arrows only appearing on that community's filter pages for tags. To my knowledge, the arrows are showing up everywhere tags do by default, but some custom CSS has been come up with that at least gets rid of them everywhere *except* on tag-filter pages. It could be that communities where you're only seeing them on those have implemented this fix already.
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[personal profile] onyxlynx 2015-01-18 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
On the other hand, QuickerReply actually works the way I needed Reply to work, and I can't wait until it gets implemented on Network page.

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[personal profile] skullduggery 2015-01-18 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
1- I'm not generally opposed to change so I don't feel the need to complain about every site update, but this whole 'tags' thing seems incredibly redundant to me. You can already click on a tag and get a full list of the entries with that tag; when I'm looking for a particular post, unless I already know it was the very last post I made with that tag, being able to quickly scroll down a list is so much better than having to back/forward click one-by-one to find the entry I'm looking for.

2- It's a giant ass disaster on a post with a lot of frequently-used tags and absolutely not efficient for mobile browsing, which DW has reportedly been trying to make easier and more streamlined.

3- Sincerely thank you for all the work you guys do on this site though. Quicker Reply will be great.
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[personal profile] primwood 2015-01-18 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
What a fun place to hold a conference. I hope you get to sight see NZ while you're there.

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