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Good evening! A little bit of a late start to the weekly news post, I decided when I got home from the day job that it was time for a powernap. Eventually, by the power of Mountain Dew and Taco Bell, I was revived.

1. Styles Update



For those of you waiting with bated breath for more styles, this past code push (Sunday night) we released the first version of Drifting. This style, created by [livejournal.com profile] jennielynn1127 was originally part of the LiveJournal styles contest and has now made its way over to Dreamwidth.

Also, I want to mention that [personal profile] afuna has been working really hard and contacting a lot of people who have submitted styles to various style communities on the site. We've gotten permission from a bunch of people to use their styles, so we're working on getting them put together to deploy sometime in the near future.

If you have a few minutes, we'd appreciate if you would take the time to look at this poll and fill it out:

http://dw-styles.dreamwidth.org/9934.html

We're trying to gather information on people's experience with our style system, process, and related. Thanks!


2. Journal Search



This is a popularly requested feature and one that we figured out this week how to do. It turns out it was pretty easy, given how straightforward the Sphinx search system is. The current implementation only took about two days.

If you don't know what I'm talking about - then you're missing out! Here, give it a whirl on our news community:

http://www.dreamwidth.org/search?search_user=dw_news

The search index is, currently, updated every six hours. There are more details about how it works in the announcement post.

Now, this doesn't mean we're "done" with search. There's a lot more left to do, but before we go any further with it, we need community feedback. One of the things we realized is that it would be trivial to make site-wide search work. I.e., you can search for something across all public posts on the site. No matter who posted it and when.

I personally think that's cool, but there's a lot of questions to answer before we can do something like that. Notably: do people want to be able to search the whole site? And if so, how should it work? Should people have to opt-in to having their journal content indexed? Or should it be opt-out? Etc, etc. Lots of things that need to be thought about before we do something like this.

That's where you come in! Please think about this, about how you would like a site-wide search option to work (or if you don't want one), and then let us know in the comments.


3. OSCON



This past week, [staff profile] denise and I attended the O'Reilly Open Source Convention 2009 in San Jose, CA. This is a yearly conference which brings together many thousands of people who are involved in various avenues of open source. Software, community, business, everybody.

Of particular interest at this year's conference is that the O'Reilly group invited [personal profile] damned_colonial to give a 15 minute keynote address (keynotes are generally viewed by thousands of attendees) titled Standing Out in the Crowd. For more information, see her post about it:

http://damned-colonial.dreamwidth.org/43962.html

This is one thing I want to take a moment and mention: Dreamwidth is not your "typical" Open Source project. We don't subscribe to the mentality that the only useful contributors are people who already know how to do things, but instead choose to believe that many hands make light work, it's better to teach someone to fish, etc. [staff profile] denise has a great post on the topic:

http://denise.dreamwidth.org/23600.html

As well as another OSCON flavored post, if you want some more information on how the convention went than what I can put in a news post:

http://denise.dreamwidth.org/23532.html

As you can probably tell from the depth of this section (I don't normally write so much!) this is a topic that we care about - a lot.


4. Spam Fix



Changing gears, you may have noticed a rather sharp drop in the amount of spam we've been receiving lately. It turns out that our spam team was blocking the spammers, but the site's "block spammer" function was broken.

Thanks goes to [personal profile] exor674 who first realized the problem, tested it, came up with a fix, and made sure the fix worked. According to our spam management team, we went from dozens reported every day to just a few.

And as a reminder to everybody: please, when you do see a spam comment or post, use the buttons to let us know! We have a bunch of people who watch the spam reports for trends, identify bots/problems, and deal with them. But it all starts with you clicking the "Mark as Spam" button.


5. Crossposting via Clients



This is mostly an FYI: this week we will be making a change to how the crossposter works so that third party clients like Semagic (and others) will be able to take advantage of having entries automatically crossposted.

We chose to make this change because it's going to be nearly impossible to get all third party clients to introduce new code just for Dreamwidth. Instead of telling people they can't crosspost with their favorite client, we've decided to make it work at our end.


6. Terms of Service Update



We had a few things in the past couple of weeks, our ToS team decided they have enough material for another post. If you're interested in the inner workings of the Dreamwidth Terms of Service Enforcement Team (wow, that's a mouthful), here you go:

http://dw-biz.dreamwidth.org/2069.html

Feedback is welcome - just comment on the entry! Everybody responsible for our Terms of Service policies will be reading them.


7. Ongoing Development



There were a lot of patches in the past week, as always! [staff profile] denise has once again made a code walkthrough to step everybody through exactly what was changed, how, and why:

http://dw-dev.dreamwidth.org/15082.html

In particular, bug #1449 (userpic in entry preview does not work when posting to a community) was fixed by [personal profile] kaisa -- her very first committed patch! Congratulations, and welcome to the Dreamwidth development team!

There are a lot of other high priority things coming down the pipe in the next few weeks. Reading filters will be available (at least basic filters, not sure about advanced filters) by the next code push (1-2 weeks), the crossposter will allow you to post without storing your password on Dreamwidth's servers, a bunch of work to redo the 'manage circle' page, etc etc.

If you have ideas for Dreamwidth that you'd like to share, or if you'd like to participate in deciding what gets implemented, please remember to use the [site community profile] dw_suggestions community. Your one stop shop for everything 'heyyyyy I have this ideaaaaa' related.


8. Cut!



This has been a really exciting week for us. Between the excitement over what we're doing by people at OSCON, the new features and bugs fixed, and our top notch team of volunteers, we have an exciting future. Stay tuned.


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sara: S (S3)


[personal profile] sara
2009-07-28 04:40 am UTC (link)
My tendency is to think that things like a sitewide search function should always be opt-in, in much the same way that one may or may not want one's entries indexed by search engines (there's public, and then there's HELLO, WORLD.)

And I'm cheered by all this progress -- great to see so much work being done.

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foxfirefey: A wee rat holds a paw to its mouth. Oh, the shock! (myword)


[personal profile] foxfirefey
2009-07-28 04:56 am UTC (link)
My tendency is to think that things like a sitewide search function should always be opt-in, in much the same way that one may or may not want one's entries indexed by search engines (there's public, and then there's HELLO, WORLD.)

Do we have no-robots on by default, though?

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[personal profile] catdraco
2009-07-28 04:44 am UTC (link)
Oh fantastic - I've been waiting anxiously for cross-posting via client to be available. Web updating just doesn't do it for me. Yay!

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fjbryan: (BTS-Bathtub-fileg)


[personal profile] fjbryan
2009-07-28 04:48 am UTC (link)
I agree with Sara's post above. Presume opt-out unless people choose to set things to publicly searchable by anyone.

Having said that, I'm delighted with the search feature pushed this week. Nice work!

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allchildren: kay eiffel's face meets the typewriter (⍣ i fall for you)


[personal profile] allchildren
2009-07-28 04:53 am UTC (link)
Crossposting from clients! One of my two big wishes, fuck yeah \o/

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[personal profile] janinedog
2009-07-28 04:54 am UTC (link)
I think site-wide public search would be awesome, and I think it should be opt-out. If it's opt-in, the search likely won't be useful for quite some time, because people who don't care either way probably won't bother to opt-in. Plus, I'm almost positive that the block-robots option is opt-out, so this would match that option.

Are we also considering allowing people to search other people's journals directly (assuming they haven't opted-out)? I think that'd be cool too...obviously only showing them entries they have access to read. And maybe it'd be possible to allow the site-wide search to search all entries the person has access to read, instead of just public ones?

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[personal profile] ratcreature
2009-07-28 11:27 am UTC (link)
At the very least if you chose not to block robots for your journal you should be automatically opted in for the site-wide search. To me it seems obvious that if I don't mind google & co to index me, and archive.org to store my stuff, I want the site's own search function to work on my journal as well without having to manually confirm that.

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yasaman: picture of jasmine flower, with text yasaman (jasmine)


[personal profile] yasaman
2009-07-28 05:00 am UTC (link)
Crossposting via client, yay! As much as I love the DW posting interface, I do miss my Deepest Sender.

I also think site wide public search would be awesome, though I'd prefer if it was opt-in.

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[personal profile] alittlebirdy
2009-07-28 05:01 am UTC (link)
re #5. you can already crosspost with semagic. Perhaps not in the same way as posting through the site, but you can do it. I'd love to be able to use the custom groups with semagic though, but cannot. I've asked the author of the client, and had no response about it. Is there anything that can be done your end to help with that?

also re drifting, I am having two problems with it. My title was too long and it cut the text off (it wasn't a very long title at the time though only about 5 or 6 words before it got cut off), and the background in the header wraps for me. Is there somewhere I can mention this? I'm not sure if it should be in support or a style comm...

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afuna: Cat under a blanket. Text: "Cats are just little people with Fur and Fangs" (afuna, cats)


[personal profile] afuna
2009-07-28 05:09 am UTC (link)
For the Drifting issues, please submit a support request. (If you could also include which browser this is happening in, that would be great! :))

ETA:
Style comms are great for getting advice on S2/CSS issues in general, but opening a support request is the best way to make sure that it's brought to our attention/put into our bugtracking system/gets a patch made for it, and isn't overlooked.

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[personal profile] melannen
2009-07-28 05:01 am UTC (link)
Journal search - I love it! SO much thanks.

Things I'd like to have:

sitewide search yes!! But you would *have* to let personal journals (and community mods) opt out, I think.

What I would really like is to be able to search comments: both all the comments on a journal, and all comments that I personally have made anywhere on the site. I'm always trying to remember something I left in a comment somewhere, and if it didn't end up in my e-mail, I never can find it. And so much content on a lot of my posts is in the comments that if the journal search doesn't index them, too, I'm going to have to keep using my offsite work-arounds.

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akatonbo: a red dragonfly on... concrete, maybe? (new dw dragonfly)


[personal profile] akatonbo
2009-07-28 06:08 am UTC (link)
Man, do I wish I could easily find all of my own comments on other journals and comms in the first place, let alone search them.

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afuna: Cat under a blanket. Text: "Cats are just little people with Fur and Fangs" (afuna, cats)


[personal profile] afuna
2009-07-28 05:07 am UTC (link)
Maybe two separate options: site-wide public search, and block search engine robots, and we make the site-wide public match the user's current block-robots option initially.

It would end up being:
* opt-out for people who haven't changed their search engines settings, or have chosen to allow search engines to index their journals
* opt-in for people who have changed their privacy settings to block search engine bots

The two options can be set separately -- it's only if you haven't set the site-wide public search option that we'd fall back upon the block-robots privacy options.

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[personal profile] tree
2009-07-28 06:05 am UTC (link)
+1

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[personal profile] rho
2009-07-28 05:11 am UTC (link)
It should be opt-out, but anyone who has already set up their journal not to be indexed by (well-behaved) search engines should be automatically opted out by default (though able to change their mind if they wish).

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[personal profile] azurelunatic
2009-07-28 05:51 am UTC (link)
I like this.

I also like the idea of making it able to be separated; perhaps I'd like to be found by DW-internal search engine, but would like to avoid as many external search engines as possible.

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[personal profile] animone
2009-07-28 05:15 am UTC (link)
Styles - I've always been a little confused over the whole style system. What is S2 and why is it there? The current interface for style/layer customization is confusing at best, and seems a bit of a holdover from LJ's system.

That said, I do think Tabula Rasa was the best thing ever, mainly because of the inherent ability to customize everything with CSS. I think it would be an even better idea to make user-CSS customization even easier and more approachable. I may be wrong, but I have a feeling far more people would be inclined to submit their own custom CSS files than S2 layouts.


Searching - Yay! As mentioned above, if there is a site-wide search, there should be an opt-in or opt-out system both per-journal and per-post. While I haven't seen the backend, I'd be a little weary of performance issues that might come up with searching all text on the site. Perhaps it would be better to have an option to "search users/communities in my circle". I'd also like to see some more advanced search options such as user-selectable sorting methods (or at the very least, some documentation for Sphinx's syntax). Something like integrating the search results with options to change post preferences (change icons, make private, delete, etc).

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afuna: Cat under a blanket. Text: "Cats are just little people with Fur and Fangs" (afuna, cats)


[personal profile] afuna
2009-07-28 05:59 am UTC (link)
S2 lets you do anything you want with your journal (except for rainbows, puppies, and world peace). It's very powerful; it's also unnecessarily confusing and technical, and introduces complication. Ideally, you should be able to get your style looking/working the way you want via the customize wizard, and especially through http://www.dreamwidth.org/customize/options.bml?group=customcss. This is what we're aiming for, and we still have a ways to go, but we're chipping away at it.

I'm glad you like Tabula Rasa! It sounds like it's doing what we set out to do, so I'm particularly pleased to hear that :-) I'm not sure what we can do to make user-CSS customization even more approachable, though; do you have any suggestions for improving the workflow / custom css area, or are there any particular bumps in the current system for using user-CSS you've run into which we can smooth out?

I have a feeling far more people would be inclined to submit their own custom CSS files than S2 layouts.

Yes! The majority of the styles being submitted are pure CSS layouts. We need/want to convert them to S2, so that we can let people tweak things through the customization wizard, but that doesn't need to be done by the layout authors themselves. So long as they're willing to let us do the conversion, we're happy to do what it takes on our end -- some people are happier designing layouts; some want to help out with S2/CSS but aren't able to build a layout from scratch. Overall, we're happy to coordinate, and match people up so that they can pick what strikes their fancy. (I'm really excited about where this is going *g*)

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torachan: anime-style me ver. 2.0 (anime me)


[personal profile] torachan
2009-07-28 05:23 am UTC (link)
I'm excited about sitewide search! As other people have said, I'd rather it be opt-out than opt-in, because opt-in will make it not very useful.

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par_avion: collage of intl air mail stickers (air mail)


[personal profile] par_avion
2009-07-28 05:35 am UTC (link)
Notably: do people want to be able to search the whole site?

Yes, rather desperately!

Specifically, I want it to be easy to opt OUT of Google indexing but opt IN to Dreamwidth indexing. I, like many in my network, have Google indexing blocked but I would be happy to let Dreamwidth index my public posts as long as you had to be searching Dreamwidth specifically for things to show up. (I wouldn't want the DW index to somehow automatically get indexed by Google.)

I would also love to see what (public) tags are being used across the site, and to more easily find people using [tag].

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foxfirefey: Fox stealing an egg. (mischief)


[personal profile] foxfirefey
2009-07-28 08:26 am UTC (link)
I would also love to see what (public) tags are being used across the site, and to more easily find people using [tag].

Vox had this, and it was one of the few things that I really found myself wanting for.

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nostariel: Rogue from the X-Men, captioned "Don't touch me." (X-Men: Rogue)


[personal profile] nostariel
2009-07-28 05:57 am UTC (link)
Oooh, sitewide search = Wank ahoy, Cap'n!

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akatonbo: a red dragonfly on... concrete, maybe? (new dw dragonfly)


[personal profile] akatonbo
2009-07-28 06:06 am UTC (link)
Site-wide search should default to the same setting as the external search engine privacy setting, but have an option to allow the internal search even though external indexing is restricted. i.e.

[x] Minimize my journal's inclusion in search engine results
....[x] And exclude from site-wide search.

Anyone who already has an account and already is concerned about their journal entries being easily accessed in a search should, logically, already have search engine indexing restricted, and making the internal search restrictions match by default means they don't have to go back and opt out a second time, but those who ARE okay with an internal search by folks already aware of DW can choose to deliberately go in and enable it even though external searching remains restricted.

Also, I'd like to see a separate opt-in ability to make one's own journal searchable to others (that is, to let people besides oneself search JUST that one journal instead of the whole site) -- like most such settings, it should of course have a 'nobody/just me' option, an option for just those who've been granted access, an option for everyone, and maybe others. It should be separate so that one could be excluded from the site-wide search but still let one's own acquaintances look for that awesome cookie recipe when you don't have a recipes tag, or whatever.

(Also, in any form of the search, a toggleable option to determine if comments are included too or only the original post would be incredibly sweet but I do not know how much more complex that would be.)

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[personal profile] juliet
2009-07-28 07:39 am UTC (link)
I'm in favour of having cross-site search; ambivalent about opt-in vs opt-out. I would be inclined to do whatever the current default is for allowing search engine robots to do their thing (i.e. if no-robots is the default, then the DW search should be opt-in).

Re 'mark as spam' - what would be very useful would be a button in the Inbox such that you can delete-and-mark-as-spam for multiple entries. Although if the spam volume has gone down then it might not be such a nuisance any more.

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[personal profile] phoenix
2009-07-28 07:44 am UTC (link)
Quick correction: Jennie Lynn's username is jennielynn1127.

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mark: Photo of Mark's face, taken in standard office fluorescent. (me)


[staff profile] mark
2009-07-28 05:40 pm UTC (link)
Ack, sorry, correcting now!

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[personal profile] yvi
2009-07-28 07:57 am UTC (link)
I'd love a 'let other users search my journal' option - not for the site-wide search, but for just searching in that particular journal. Options could be 'none', 'access list' and 'everyone'.

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[personal profile] sophie
2009-07-28 08:08 am UTC (link)
It might also be worth mentioning (maybe in a separate news post?) about the new logged-in homepage!

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mark: Photo of Mark's face, taken in standard office fluorescent. (me)


[staff profile] mark
2009-07-28 05:41 pm UTC (link)
Forgot about it, oops. :( It should certainly be mentioned. (Although I imagine most people have seen it by now, or I'd hope so, anyway!)

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[personal profile] kaki
2009-07-28 08:38 am UTC (link)
I'd like to ask something about the site-wide search.
(Since the replies here seem to be pro-search, and you probably want to do it as well, it seems likely to come at some point. Not that I'd mind, I like the idea, too.)

If/when you're going to implement it, will it be usable for anyone or only for people who have a DW account?
Personally, I'd prefer the idea that it'd be for DW-users only, because if it's for anyone, it's not much different from using Google with site=dw.org. (But there'll surely be others who disagree.)

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[staff profile] denise
2009-07-28 11:05 am UTC (link)
It would almost certainly be a paid user feature, so (paid) DW users only.

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[personal profile] erilyn525600
2009-07-28 08:59 am UTC (link)
Site-wide search? *melts into a puddle* That would be incredibly useful especially for news, gossip, or fic journals. Some communities for example aren't very strict about tagging so if I wanted to find a news post about a certain celebrity or a fic post with a certain pairing I'd be reduced to doing a Ctrl+F for every page.

I would vote for opt-out if there were efforts made to make sure all users are aware of it in time(maybe informing everyone by e-mail and not just when they log on to the site?), if it were only for public posts, and if it's only for people searching through dreamwidth and not through search engines like google. My thinking is that when I do a public post, then I'm okay with other people coming across my content. Making it easier for other people to do that isn't something I feel violently against. But honestly I don't mind if it goes either way since you're being fair and asking everyone about it.

Also, crossposting via clients is a feature I've been looking forward to. You guys rock!

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Privacy in a glass house


[personal profile] lapistablet
2009-07-28 10:04 am UTC (link)
I'd like to vote for journal search being opt-in. Here's my reasoning.

I'm a professional author, but this journal isn't the only Dreamwidth blog I have. I also have a personal blog and a fan blog, and though I'm not yet published as a fiction author and a long way from well-known, there are definitely things I say in both my more personal blogs that I wouldn't want (say) a fan or my agent stumbling across.


There are people out there who accept that the Internet is a panopticon (I'm looking at you, Charlie Stross), and simply assume that because search is possible, privacy is a thing of the past. I don't agree with that opinion; I think the future of human rights on the Internet is going to involve all of us, both users and site owners, learning some stuff about what social boundaries are, when we're crossing them, and whose problem it is to deal with what we find on the inside of a space that isn't ours.

I also think that the civilised approach is to set the default assumption so that DW's users do have their privacy. In the real world, all our houses have walls - and thus, we don't see our neighbours naked every time they get undressed for bed. On the Internet, all the walls are made of glass - but for some reason, a lot of the time we don't decide that we should turn away. Instead we are loudly and publicly outraged, and we snottily inform our poor neighbours that because their nakedness offends us, they should never take their clothes off at all. We don't run around naked in public, after all - except of course that on the Net, we're all in glass houses too. If you carry on any kind of social contact through the Internet - and these days it's becoming hard to carry on any kind of career without doing so - then at the moment you have no option but to lay yourself bare to the world because most sites don't offer any kind of meaningful privacy.

So at the moment, the infrastructure strips privacy away, and yet we blame other people for talking about private emotions and experiences that we found by searching for them. Now I don't know about you but I don't think that's fair. Yes, people can be stupid and hysterical and we the users need to know better than that, but it is certainly also true that the Internet mostly works in a way that makes this kind of problem far, far too common. I'd like to see many more sites make personal privacy possible, and DW is so progressive in so many ways that I'd call it the perfect test bed for a model like this. DW already assumes that users are responsible adults who can accurately label their own journals for mature content; I would very much like to see it assume that users are adults who deserve a break from constant scrutiny, too.

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Re: Privacy in a glass house


[personal profile] zvi
2009-07-28 11:33 pm UTC (link)
I don't understand how your argument applies to Dreamwidth, since this site does afford controlled access to information. If you don't want unknown people to read your thoughts, all you have to do is lock them away to people you trust not to pass your thoughts further along.

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Re: Privacy in a glass house - [personal profile] lapistablet, 2009-07-29 06:18 pm UTC (Expand)
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[personal profile] sofiaviolet
2009-07-28 11:49 am UTC (link)
Since the default for new accounts seems to be "allow indexing," the default for DW site search should also be "allow indexing."

When more search stuff is implemented, it should respect the user's existing robots settings - that is, if a user has already made the effort to tick "no robots," they shouldn't have to tick it again for internal search.

Users should be able to set the two options separately, so that people could block external robots but allow DW to index (or vice versa, I suppose).

I would like to be able to search a specific journal besides my own. Like if I wanted to search [staff profile] denise for all posts containing the word "ads."

I would like to be able to restrict search to my own circle, in addition to a specific account or the whole site.

Edit: Furthermore, I'd like to be able to search all entries I have access to, not just public ones. I am at least 90% certain that would be way too heavy on the database, though. It might also bring the wank, or introduce some kind of security flaw or loophole. /edit

I would like to be able to search comments. Perhaps a setting on some kind of "advanced search" page, where I could choose to search entries only, comments only, or both entries and comments? I don't know whether that would be too resource-intensive, either the search or the indexing.

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what about no-longer public posts?


[personal profile] lorena
2009-07-28 12:20 pm UTC (link)
How would that harsh the index? You make a public post, it is indexed. Before the next pass, it is no longer indexed, or the converse - a non public post is made so.

Once access no longer exists, or begins to, is a cached copy available for any significant length of time?

I'd suggest that's an argument for opt-in, as well as a reasonable UX experience to opt out an individual post, if that's possible.

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Re: what about no-longer public posts?


[staff profile] mark
2009-07-28 05:26 pm UTC (link)
The search system instantly recognizes that a post is unavailable. Same with deleted entries. So, if someone searches, they will see an empty search item saying "this entry is no longer available" and they don't know if it's protected, deleted, or what. (And they wouldn't know who made it, either.)

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*golfclap* - [personal profile] triadruid, 2009-07-28 06:57 pm UTC (Expand)
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one more vote for opt-out site-wide search


[personal profile] kali
2009-07-28 12:50 pm UTC (link)
Is it not technically feasible to allow the engine to search through locked posts you have access to, due to being on ppl's trust filters?  I mean, you could be trying to track down that thing someone you already know said in semi-privacy....

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Re: one more vote for opt-out site-wide search


[staff profile] mark
2009-07-28 05:28 pm UTC (link)
I'm investigating that particular question.

I think that it's possible, but I think that we might end up doing a separate search. I.e., you have two types of search:

a) Site-wide public posts
b) Circle-wide all posts you can see

I'm not sure how to combine the two (without just doing two searches, and that gets messy when you try to combine the results). But anyway...

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