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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2015-01-18 10:00 pm

Dreamwidth News: 18 January 2015

Hello, Dreamwidth! Greetings from glorious Auckland, NZ, where we've been for this year's linux.conf.au. (It was a great conference! But then, it always is.) We decided to sneak in a code push while we were here, since we were in the same place and code pushes are always more fun when you can yell across the room when something breaks.

Behind the cut:

* Development
* Responsive-design conversion
* Reading page: custom colors for accounts going away
* Quicker Reply: reply from your reading page
* Warnings when you don't keyword an icon
* The country list
* SSL Everywhere




Development



In addition to the things I'm about to talk about, the code tour for all the changes in this push is here:

Code Tour, 11 Aug 2014-17 Jan 2015

A particular welcome to new contributor [github.com profile] emhoracek, and congrats to [personal profile] azurelunatic's first code contribution.



Responsive-design conversion



I first started talking about our responsive design converstion a while back. We're continuing on with our conversion of various pages on the site to use the new responsive framework, and this time around (in addition to pages that are visited less often or pages that are part of something else), we have converted the beta Create Entries page. There should be no functional change, but some minor visual ones.

We've also converted multiple small pages (such as the admin pages and a lot of tool pages and misc endpoints).

Finally, we've taken the page to join/unjoin communities and the page to subscribe to people or to grant them access and squished them together, with different things displayed depending on what you're trying to do with it. This page, too, has also been converted to our new responsive design.

You can report problems with any of these pages in the new sticky entry in [site community profile] dw_beta.


Reading page: custom colors for accounts going away



You may notice that as part of the previous change, from now on when you're adding people to your circle, you can no longer specify custom colors for them on your reading page. We ran some stats and discovered that fewer than .8% of subscriptions use custom colors. With such a small percentage of people using the feature, we're going to be removing it: it's not worth the work it will take for us to convert it.

If you are using custom colors: please copy down the information now! You will still be able to set and view the custom colors for a little while, but once we finish transitioning away from the feature, you won't be able to set or view them anymore. For now, you can still set or change custom colors by going to the Manage Circle page.

Before we remove the feature entirely, we'll give you instructions on how to achieve the same effect on your reading page using custom CSS.


Quicker Reply: reply from your reading page



The feature that let you reply to a comment without having to load a separate page to get the reply form, added to LJ lo these many moons ago, was called QuickReply. We've added QuickerReply: the ability to reply to an entry from your reading page without having to leave your reading page.

To take advantage, use the 'Reply' link on your reading page: it will display a reply form right there on your reading page. (If you still want to read other comments before adding yours, use the "# comments" link, not the Reply link.)


Warnings when you don't keyword an icon



As many people have noticed: if you upload an icon without adding a keyword, the icon is assigned a "pic###" automatic keyword. The bad news is, those automatic keywords are not 'real' keywords, and they can result in all kinds of errors and all kinds of weird problems.

So, from now on, if you have an icon that was given the "pic###" default automatic keywords, the Edit Icons page will warn you that those icons may behave oddly in all kinds of places, and you should give them keywords.


The country list



Many people have noticed that the list of countries available for selection on the profile was very out of date. (I believe it was the list from LiveJournal's inception in 1998 with a little bit of tweaking here and there since.) We've discussed how to update that list multiple times: the question of "what counts as a country" is very difficult (and often very political).

It's gotten more and more urgent lately, though, since it's been so long since we've updated the list. We've decided that we're going to outsource our checks -- and our decision of "what counts as a country" -- to somebody else: starting with this code push, we're using the Perl module Locale::Codes::Country. This means that the hard questions are somebody else's!

If you notice that there's a country missing from the list, let us know and we'll look into it.


SSL Everywhere



We've had multiple people asking us why it's not possible to browse the entire site in SSL. The answer is very convoluted, but it involves the fact that user-generated content loading data from all over the internet is very, very hard to serve via SSL without problems. (If you serve secure and non-secure content on the same page, browsers complain a lot, and sometimes refuse to load at all.)

[staff profile] mark and [personal profile] fu have been working really hard to fix a lot of those questions, though. We have a lot of code in this release to make it possible for you to browse the site via HTTPS. We're not turning it on as a default everywhere yet, because there are inevitably a ton of bugs, but you can now manually request things from https://www.dreamwidth.org and get it that way. (In fact, please do; it will help with testing.)

Once we're satisfied that it works, we'll be releasing it more widely to everyone.

*

That's it from us for another update! As always, if you're having problems with Dreamwidth, Support can help you; for notices of site problems and downtime, check the Twitter status page; if you've got an idea to make the site better, you can make a suggestion. (I'm a lot behind on the suggestions queue, though, just as a warning.)

Comment notifications may be delayed for up to an hour or two, due to the high volume of notifications generated after an update is posted to [site community profile] dw_news. This was posted just after 2200 New Zealand time, 18 Jan. (see in your time zone). Please don't worry about missing notifications until at least two hours after that.
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
I asked [livejournal.com profile] daveman692 for QuickerReply like 20 times and every time he was like "no, it's hard".

BUT NOW WE HAVE IT! I AM SO HAPPY! :D :D D: :D
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[personal profile] fu 2015-01-18 10:05 am (UTC)(link)
Hooray for modern javascript :)
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[personal profile] aeroga 2015-01-18 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
So with today's new updates, I've stopped receving email notifications for replies to any of my accounts.

I use a hotmail email and am not sure if that's relevant, but I haven't had trouble with getting notifs before unless it was a widespread issue. That being the case, I wanted to make a note of it here and see if it's happening to anybody else, or if there's anything I can do about it at the moment.
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[personal profile] laenavesse 2015-01-18 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
Can confirm as a fellow Hotmail user that e-mail notifications stopped sometime between 8:30PM UTC and 9PM UTC (I live in Central time and it was at least after 2:30PM that I stopped receiving notifications). Gmail works fine, and I've checked to make sure DW isn't blocked and that they're not going to junk.
Edited 2015-01-18 09:27 (UTC)
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[personal profile] aeroga 2015-01-18 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
Well I'm relieved it isn't an "it's just me" situation, since those tend to be the most troublesome. If it's affecting other users I'm going to guess that they'll resolve the matter...hopefully soon. Thanks for confirming a timeframe; I wasn't too sure since I was out today, only that I seemed to have nothing new since this morning.

The only gmail I have I never log into, but it's good to know that might work if I really, really have to.
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[personal profile] laenavesse 2015-01-18 09:44 am (UTC)(link)
Haha, yeah, I've heard other people also stopped receiving notifications but they didn't say what e-mail provider they use. Everyone else I know uses Gmail and had no problems. I was also out today but I had been checking my e-mail via phone every now and then had wondered why I didn't get any new notifications xD I checked the timestamps of the ones in the journal inboxes and was able to pinpoint a time from that.

I'm sure it'll be fixed soon!
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[personal profile] aeroga 2015-01-18 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
That's a good way to figure out timing. I mostly focused on squinting at my journal inboxes to figure out what I owed replies to. Being without email notifs certainly is inconvenient, but given the choice I'd rather not use a gmail address that has only existed for things that don't accept Hotmail (honestly the sole purpose).

I'm hoping so. Now that we know hotmail has blocked DW for goodness knows the reason, I figure it'll be a matter of waiting to see what happens.

[personal profile] animallover_328 2015-06-26 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
I have to use hotmail on my phone now because it won't let me long in on my computer. I've thought about switching to gmail or something different, but nobody's who I've asked has told me what's better.
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[personal profile] laenavesse 2015-06-26 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
Personally I still like both!

I've adjusted to Gmail by now (Hotmail notifs work again so that's good new though I have no idea when it started—I just randomly found out the other day when I got a notification) and it is nice that the Gmail app on my Android phone works well with it. Downside is that unlike the email inbox, the app still groups the threads into conversations, so you don't see individual notifications in a post. It groups them as one conversation.

But since Gmail has a filter/labeling system similar to folders and right now and you can disable the conversation feature (at least in the email inbox), there really isn't much of a difference. So in my opinion, it comes down to just which service you use and personally prefer. I honestly can't see a real pro or con that makes one better between one or the other. All I can think of is through Gmail you can use G-chat. Through Hotmail, you can use Skype. And Gmail has the whole Google+ connection.

Personally, since it's been so long, I'm not going to switch the emails of the ones that are set to Gmail and will probably continue using it going forward, but I haven't left Hotmail either, and use it for everything else (also handy since I'm a Microsoft user).

So choose whichever you like!
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 09:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'm apparently not receiving notifications either now and I use Gmail.
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[personal profile] aeroga 2015-01-18 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder what's determining whether people get notifs or not. The commenter above's getting notifs on gmail, but based on your comment it sounds like it's not exactly working across the board for that email service.
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 09:43 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder about that to. It's very odd. I don't get many comments on my posts, so I probably wouldn't have noticed for a while if I hadn't come back here and seen someone replied to a comment I left.
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[personal profile] aeroga 2015-01-18 09:46 am (UTC)(link)
It is pretty strange. At least in my case I haven't had this problem unless it was impacting a large number of users, and generally it didn't span a terribly long time. Hopefully whatever's going on, it's resolved soon.
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[personal profile] laenavesse 2015-01-18 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yours might be due to this recent code push since they do warn that notifications might be delayed because of it. At least for Hotmail (or at least a few of us), we stopped receiving notifications almost twelve hours before the push.
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 09:44 am (UTC)(link)
Very good point. I think comments are rolling on now.
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
Just saw that part. Pardon while I facepalm.
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[personal profile] laenavesse 2015-01-18 09:52 am (UTC)(link)
So this IS related to the code push? Even if notifications stopped about twelve hours before it went out?

Just making sure. I thought it might have been a possibility but the timing was off.
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[personal profile] laenavesse 2015-01-18 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, gotcha. I hope it works out!
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[personal profile] aeroga 2015-01-18 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing that even if DW is manually added to safe senders on my end, it wouldn't change anything if Hotmail is blocking DW in general. Has this happened much in the past? I haven't had this problem prior to today since moving to DW, aside from cases where users across email providers were having trouble.

Edit: Already in my safe list which looks like it confirms that.
Edited 2015-01-18 10:04 (UTC)
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[personal profile] aeroga 2015-01-18 11:02 am (UTC)(link)
Though I doubt it'll do much, I've hunted down their Support tickets (and wow, I realize how spoiled I am on DW - their navigation seems designed to prevent users from getting help) and brought up this matter on the user end. Because yeah, it's a big part of my email activity and Hotmail is presently my sole provider as far as active uses go.

I have a gmail if I absolutely must but for now I'm going to be hopeful. It's an email I use for practically nothing so I'd really rather avoid its use unless it turns out this is a problem that won't get fixed.
Edited 2015-01-18 11:02 (UTC)
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[personal profile] goodbyebird 2015-01-19 09:06 am (UTC)(link)
You did better than me, I couldn't find the damn thing. Closest I got is a "contact customer support" link, that took me to a page that said, "please try these options first(FAQ threads and such)" but with no link to actually contact customer support.

Ugh I really really don't want to leave hotmail :/
Edited 2015-01-19 09:07 (UTC)
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[personal profile] goodbyebird 2015-01-19 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
This is good to know, thanks!
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2015-01-21 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
OK, just read this far and want to mention (but don't know if it matters as it's all emanating from the same provider, ie Microsoft) but I'm not getting notifications either and I'm using live.com/Outlook.com, not Hotmail itself.

(And I've used them for DW for years now so I would hate to have to switch to anything else.)
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2015-01-21 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for working on it, it's much appreciated. I just dislike all the well-known alternate email providers so much that having to switch to one would be/will be awful.
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[personal profile] blueraccoon 2015-01-28 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I...may be able to help with this? I can't promise anything but I'm asking. (I work for the evil empire in their operations department, I might be able to ask a question or two in the right ears.)
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[personal profile] warriorscribe 2015-01-29 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
I hope you can, I miss having all my notifs in one convenient place and don't like the alternatives. (plus I've had this email for nearly ten years now, I really don't want to let go of it :()

(Please excuse the RP journal, it's one of two I'm checking the DW inbox for and my personal journal isn't the other one)
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2015-01-21 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
Hotmail here, too (specifically, live.com/Outlook.com) and same problem. No notif of this News post, for example (and if it's already been fixed - as it seems I am a bit late to the party, as usual, then no need for anyone to reply and OK, thanks).
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[personal profile] bertall 2015-01-18 09:19 am (UTC)(link)
With this recent push it looks like the icon picker has blown up a little? Was this intended or is it just a tiny bug? Here is how it used to look, but now it's gotten kind of weird after the push. I even tried a journal with everything keyworded and it looks pretty skewed on my end.
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[personal profile] green_knight 2015-01-18 09:20 am (UTC)(link)
Custom Colours: Noooooo!

It's an accessibility feature for me: if I'm pressed for time, I can make easy decisions which things I need to read, and which I can easily skip; also which people (custom colours) I must read at all costs. There were times when I've relied on this *a lot* (travelling with small screens and bad internet access).

(And I think it's a vicious circle - few people use it because the DW support in themes isn't very good; I think you should do more for it, not dump it completely.)

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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-01-18 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
I like to combine custom reading filters with the links list, so I can get to them easily.
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[personal profile] cloudsinvenice 2015-01-18 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I do this too - I don't know how well it'll work for the other user in mobile, but I do find it the handiest way to split my reading list up so I always see personal accounts first when I'm pushed for time.
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[personal profile] green_knight 2015-01-18 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Does the custom CSS involve a single quick action from the 'add this person' page? If not, then this is effectively a downgrade - having to work out and handcode a workaround is not the same as the ability to quickly set a property.

And reading filters do not match my needs: priority reading is a reaction to individual circumstances and changes with other people's experiences, my spoons and mood and half a dozen other factors; reading lists give me the wrong priorities. (I've tried using them. They don't match my needs. Custom colours do.)

If there has been a discussion of custom colours then I have plain missed it - it's very untypical for Dreamwidth to remove features, much less without discussion; I had hoped to be on a platform where 'here's your downgrade, learn to deal with it' _wasn't_ standard operating procedure.
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[personal profile] kyrielle 2015-01-19 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
It sounds like this may mean, for those who want it, editing the CSS every time they add someone. I'm assuming it involves a class of the username or something of the sort.

Would it be possible, when the color support is removed, to add a 'CSS class' box next to each user and let someone pick that? People who want custom colors could then tag it accordingly based on CSS they already had set up (and someone using the class for some other transformation we haven't thought of could do likewise).

Or would that just make it as painful as ever?
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[personal profile] sophie 2015-01-20 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe it could be even easier - if it were possible to make it so that CSS classes were automatically added of the public access groups to which the author belonged, that could have the same effect, and be just as accessible from the page.
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 09:50 am (UTC)(link)
We decided to dump it -- you can always use reading groups/circle lists to get the same net results about "which people do I want to read importantly" etc.
Edited 2015-01-18 09:50 (UTC)
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[personal profile] basilmemories 2015-01-18 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Sadly in my case this isn't going to be possible. The list I run is about a network of games, meant for a group of people to look at and take in info about what's going on in their/other games. The circle lists for me aren't going to be the lists for everybody else.
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
Reading lists can be public, so you can share them. http://mark.dreamwidth.org/read/news for example. That might help.

Also, I'm sure other people will post the CSS workaround you can do with stylesheets so you can set colors on people however you want. The functionality is still possible, we just aren't building it into the UI anymore.
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[personal profile] basilmemories 2015-01-19 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
Oh that's actually quite good to know! I was concerned that the functionality itself was being stripped out and that a new, less system intensive setup was being put in its' place.
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[personal profile] melannen 2015-01-18 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
+1 to this! NOOOO I need my custom colors! And the reason nobody uses it on DW is that support for it in most standard DW themes is really really bad so probably most newer users don't even realize how helpful it can be. (Reading filters are OK but they don't really provide the same ablility easily & quickly filter your reading by priority using, you know, HUMAN EYES. :P)

Maybe doing it with custom CSS will mean I can make it work the way I need it to without having to still relying on my old style kludged from LJ c. 2002? :/
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[personal profile] momijizukamori 2015-01-18 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, CSS-workaround will probably work on any of our Tabula Rasa-based layouts (which is a good 90% of what's live). It'll also give more flexibility in appearance, though at the cost of it taking a little more time to set up.
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2015-01-21 07:13 am (UTC)(link)
Can't we just add this functionality to wizard? I mean, I know CSS and still the idea of what this will involve for the casual user is making me pretty much cringe. DW SUggestion post #nth billion, I guess here I come. :(
Edited (typo) 2015-01-21 07:14 (UTC)
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[personal profile] lizvogel 2015-01-20 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
the reason nobody uses it on DW is that support for it in most standard DW themes is really really bad

Yes, this. I've always used custom colors on LJ, for all sorts of convenience-related reasons; I've never used it on DW *only* because finding a theme that it worked with was such a pain.

Have to agree with the comment above that if it's so rarely used, maybe the answer is to make it work better/more available, not to get rid of it.
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[personal profile] zdashamber 2015-01-21 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed, love custom colors, can't say much nice about DW's ability to use them. Years ago in one of the theme communities I asked how it could be better, but it's apparently super hard to do something visually simple like big blocks of color along the side of the post.
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[personal profile] antimony 2015-01-25 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
+1
I spent hours trying to find a theme that supported it; was never able to do so, and couldn't find enough information for someone who otherwise cares very little about theme to try to hack it in myself. It's the #1 reason I read most of my DW friends via their crossposted LJ posts rather than natively on DW.

I'm not sure if I still have them set on, or if I gave up in frustration and turned the feature off entirely; I know I then didn't set it on on any of my other journals (RP or personal) because I knew it would just annoy me.
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[personal profile] onyxlynx 2015-01-18 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
As one of the .8% who uses custom colors: Seconding that "Noooooooooo!"

Also, not a CSS user.
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[personal profile] melannen 2015-01-18 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Custom CSS for standard DW styles can be really simple - at it easiest you just c&p someone's code into the custom CSS box and you're done, I hate and fear CSS and I found it pretty painless the times I've tried..

I have no idea how that would get you to setting different custom colors for 300 different people though...
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[personal profile] onyxlynx 2015-01-19 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
Only half that number, but...yeah.

(I've done minor c&p code, but this sounds a bit more complicated.)
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[personal profile] marahmarie 2015-01-21 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. I just don't see how it's possible without another, say, 300 lines of code. We have a CSS pseudo-class that covers each journal's name; beyond that I don't know how you'd economize the code to take a theoretically endless amount of journals into account without blowing the code up to gargantuan proportions (even my limited knowledge of CSS3 is failing to produce an answer at this point; I can see using a little :nth-of-type to consolidate the CSS for say, each five DWs you want to group all into the same one color, but beyond that, no. Just no!).
Edited (typos) 2015-01-21 07:27 (UTC)
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[personal profile] pebblerocker 2015-01-19 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
I have always set custom colours when I add someone to my circle, out of habit from LJ where it's very useful for me; I haven't yet found a way to make the colours I choose actually show up in any DW style, but I'd like to have that option one day.
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[personal profile] discodiva76 2015-01-18 09:20 am (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry I don't like the quick reply...how do I get rid of it and go back to the normal way of posting please?


OK ..got it..missed the bit on the news page...hopefully I'll get used to it ...I just don't like change...:(


Deeds xx
Edited 2015-01-18 09:22 (UTC)
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
Are the little dinky arrows bookending the tags on posts now intentional? If so, why? Because I don't understand. They don't look good and on posts with several tags, the arrow clutter actually makes it very difficult for me to read them.
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[personal profile] vethica 2015-01-18 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I don't like the arrows either. Came here to ask if there was some way of disabling them.
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 09:46 am (UTC)(link)
I'm hoping there is, or will be a way to do that.
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[personal profile] dancinpenguins 2015-01-18 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
While I understand what they were going for with this function, it seems like a very strange design choice. Most people that I'm talking to agree that while they get what it's meant to do, they can't imagine why anyone would find it easier to scroll through tags individually this way, rather than just click the tag and find the post you want. All it does in that case is add a very bulky and visually unappealing element to the top of the page.

+1-ing a plea to give an option to disable please.

I appreciate all you guys do for the site, and keeping us updated/listening to feedback, so just wanna throw this in the ring.
Edited 2015-01-18 09:35 (UTC)
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-01-18 09:41 am (UTC)(link)
I think the main usefulness will be in very old entries with tags that may have been used a hundred or more times.

There is probably something that can be done with css/custom styles to shrink/hide them, though I'm not sure of the exact method.
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[personal profile] dancinpenguins 2015-01-18 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
I think the main usefulness will be in very old entries with tags that may have been used a hundred or more times.

I guess that statement confuses me too. Even when you're looking back at old entries and reach the point where it scrolls by day, you can still see several posts at once, assuming there were more than one per day. And even when there aren't, then you still see one by one as you scroll back, but don't have to load all the comments/cut content, which seems more convenient than the alternative.

I don't know, I'm sure there are arguments the other way, I'm just really scratching my head on this one, and it seems strange that such a visibly dramatic change would be made to support a function that is only going to be used in very rare circumstances such as you describe.
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[personal profile] dancinpenguins 2015-01-18 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
I did notice that, looking through the push info. To clarify, that's why I'd prefer it to be an optional disable, so that people who wanted that functionality could have it. Just trying to wrap my head around its uses, in case that winds up not happening.
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[personal profile] goesdown 2015-01-18 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
For a lot of the reasons other people have already listed here, I also would really prefer that there be an option to disable them. They're cluttered and not particularly useful for me. I'm more likely to mis-click them than use them on purpose.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-01-18 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
The times when I really wished I had this was when I've been linked to fic from like 2004, and the author has been very diligent about tagging a zillion part series but hasn't really set up good links from one section to the next. Or worse, when your friend links you to part 4. Meanwhile, page 1 of the tag is stuff from 2014 ...

Also, I like to read the comments, so this will be good for that.
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[personal profile] dancinpenguins 2015-01-18 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
Mmkay, yeah, I can definitely see how that's a reasonable example. I still maintain that it seems like such instances would be few and far between, compared to the visual trade-off. But I'm coming from a place like [personal profile] kikibug13 below, where I'm used to rp communities that can utilize massive amounts of tags on entries, that are being rendered twice as long from the redesign.
Edited 2015-01-18 10:15 (UTC)
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-01-18 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
Now I'm envisioning one of those twisty - arrow toggles with cookie - based memory to expand/collapse the arrows, like the sections on the profile.

(And can I just say how much I love it that people are going into depth about the specifics of what they don't like and why? My day job involves, among other things, filing bugs about internal tools that are broken so the devs can fix them, and you would not believe how hard it is to get a senior software engineer to expand on "it's broken.")
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[personal profile] dancinpenguins 2015-01-18 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
LMFAO well like I said, I really appreciate all the work and attitude of the staff here, and it's so ungrateful to come in and just be like IT'S AWFUL I DON'T LIKE IT FIX IT, and that's not what I'm trying to do. I understand that it wouldn't have gotten this far if there weren't a reason for it, but want to try to articulate what's frustrating about it from this end.

But for example, this is what I'm talking about for rp tags:

BEFORE vs AFTER.

The size increase alone is probably something we could get used to (although it feels like it will be extra frustrating on mobile, although I confess, I haven't looked yet), but the excess of arrows is just plain dizzying to look at in comparison.
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[personal profile] lemon_badgeress 2015-01-18 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
....oh my gosh. I don't do anything with tags, so I hadn't seen. That's...horrid. I hope it can be a toggle-able feature!
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[personal profile] kinetic 2015-01-18 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I first looked at it on mobile. Rest assured, it's quite unpleasant.

I can only hope our lovely admins realize that this isn't a kneejerk "I hate change" response, but rather one that's measured and looking at how a large community can or would (not) apply this feature vs. its clunky and unwieldy aesthetic. The RP community has no use for this function, and given how huge a part of the DW site base that is, I'd hope we can get a way to shut it off.
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[personal profile] random_ooc 2015-01-18 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yes. That is unpleasant. And awkward.
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This was my first foray into actually designing frontend UI, so... oops. I got some bits wrong - had not really considered the use-case of 'more than twenty tags'.

Some sort of collapsible thing would be brilliant - I'd have liked to integrate it into hover/mouseover, but that has accessibility concerns.

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[personal profile] green_knight 2015-01-18 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Someone should have picked this up. The main point is that adding a lot of visual clutter *also* is an accessibility concern - it makes it harder to parse the page and to find the text you're looking for, so a feature like this ought to be opt-in, either via a setting (preferred) or via custom css, or both.

(This is not to say that your work isn't valued, and that the people who squee over it aren't going to be happy, but the rest of us are suddenly faced with a lot of visual clutter that is extremely unwelcome, and so we complain.)
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Complaining is fair. It is a lot of clutter.

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[personal profile] dancinpenguins 2015-01-18 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I just wanted to say thanks for being so receptive to constructive crit about this. ♥ You are very appreciated.
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. <3
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[personal profile] random_ooc 2015-01-18 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I second this.
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[personal profile] rosefox 2015-01-18 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
At the very least, it would be great if you could check whether there's a previous/following entry on the tag, and if not, don't display an arrow.
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[personal profile] rosefox 2015-01-18 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, I see. Is there a simpler check for "is this the person's latest entry" so that you can at least not display forward arrows on someone's most recent post?
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
As I mentioned to [personal profile] brainwane here, doing the calculations for whether or not to display the arrows would be a massive server-performance hit. Which is really a shame, because having the information would be really cool.

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[personal profile] kyrielle 2015-01-19 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
That would be awesome, because I just saw these, and wow. Really, really ugly. I don't even use hordes of tags, but the way they look just...it tweaks the same part of my brain that misspellings and "Your going to have to move" type grammar errors do.

Anyone have some CSS to get rid of them?
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[personal profile] cesy 2015-01-19 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
There are instructions in [community profile] style_system to remove them.
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
I think that's what confused me so much about the purpose. Going back through a tag one entry at a time like that just seems counter-intuitive. So yeah, as much as I dig all the hard work, I hope there's a way to get rid of them.
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[personal profile] beatrice_otter 2015-01-18 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
There are several cases where I would have killed for this ability, because of the way certain people had a series of entries (usually multipart fic) tagged but not linked in any other way. Reading order matters, and you end up doing a lot of clicking around if it's an older series of entries to try and find all parts in the right order.
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
That is exactly the use case that spurred me to pick up the bug in the first place! Especially for longfic.
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[personal profile] sathari 2015-01-19 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
...can I just say that I completely love the fact that DW is a place where a dev is specifically designing for transformative-fannish purposes and that changes are specifically implemented for that purpose? I may not always be happy with specific changes (um, I don't like the arrows either) but I LOVE LOVE LOVE being in a place that wants to be a good home for fannish content, and I thank you for trying to make the experiences of fic-readers and writers better!
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-01-18 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
It's one of the new things: the ability to go to the previous or next entry with that tag. I'm not sure what the options are for modifying the display.
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
As it stands there are no options. The arrows will display on /tag/$foo pages and individual entries, but not on main-journal, read , or date-specific pages.
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[personal profile] kikibug13 2015-01-18 09:36 am (UTC)(link)
I find that new functionality moderately useful for some of the things I do, unnecessary for others, so,

+1 on the request to be able to disable that, both for journals and for communities

And, again, thank you for your work on everything!
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[personal profile] tokenaussie 2015-01-18 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
Another +1 for the Disable Tag Arrows, at the very least for communities and seconding everything said here by [personal profile] dancinpenguins. For myself, the benefit doesn't outweigh the aesthetic negative, especially when there's an option to simply read all tagged entries by clicking on that particular tag.
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
Before we necessarily throw in a disable button on new things, we're going to try to iterate once or twice to see if we can get the designs to a place that works better for the majority of use cases.

So, post feedback, let us know how it could be improved (other than just "shut it off") and we'll see what we can do! Definitely give us a chance though. :)
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[personal profile] kikibug13 2015-01-18 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not entirely sure anything CAN improve it, on posts with tens, not to mention hundreds, of tags. Which happen more frequently than you'd imagine in roleplay, which is a big chunk of how I do use DW. When you already have a huge chunk of tags, adding anything more just makes it harder to process them, visually.

(For the record, I don't dislike the current design, per se. It just gets more of too much where there's already a lot, if that makes sense.)
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Makes perfect sense. My own personal use case tends to lead to a half-dozen tags at most, so I'd mainly noted it as "clunky but manageable". I can completely see it be unworkable with a plethora of tags.

That said - I have NO idea how to do it on some-but-not-all (especially given that one of the many-tags posts might be the place people are starting from). Suggestions greatly appreciated.
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
I don't entirely understand the need/desire to tweak something before giving people the option to opt out, but I don't work with code so I don't understand all the complexities of designing a site to suit a broad array of users.

In my particular case, though, I'm not sure I can think of how it can be improved design-wise as I honestly have no use for this function and as it is now, it makes it difficult for me to read the tags on my own posts. So at least having a "shut-off" option would be a great thing for me while not impeding on other users who might find the new function useful. I can leave my feedback (in dw-beta or dw-maintenance?), but I'm not sure how helpful it will be.

I do really appreciate all the hard work you all put into this site, though. Please don't think otherwise. :)
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 10:27 am (UTC)(link)
Feedback right here is fine! Even if you can't think of a "how to improve it", telling us what rubs you about it is good. But definitely give it a little time to sink in -- knee-jerk reactions are almost always bound to change. :)
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think my reaction was knee-jerk? The arrows actually make it quite difficult for me to read the tags on my posts. The arrows and text run together for me, making it hard to parse where arrows end and text begins, and vice-versa.

I will admit my reaction to the new look of the create post page was knee-jerk in a "what fresh hell is this" way, but as I can still read everything on that page, I'll get used to it.
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 10:51 am (UTC)(link)

You're right, and sorry about that, I didn't choose my words well -- I wanted a different connotation, uh, "quick response"? But without the "automatic" part. I think "first reaction" is probably closer to what I meant.

For the update page, feedback is definitely welcome too! That's a first iteration, so at this point mostly it's a technology change (switching over to the Foundation framework we're moving the site to) and now we can get some good input into the design (which we did do, but only from a handful of people who have the time/interest to look at in-development stuff).

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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I appreciate it. :)

Okay, I can definitely give more concrete feedback on the update page. It would mostly be cosmetic anyway. Where exactly should I leave feedback for that?

[personal profile] swaldman 2015-01-19 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
The arrows actually make it quite difficult for me to read the tags on my posts. The arrows and text run together for me, making it hard to parse where arrows end and text begins, and vice-versa.

I suspect that *that* was a useful bit of feedback! Demonstrates what Mark was saying about "even if you can't think how to improve it, tell us why you dislike" :-)
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[personal profile] tokenaussie 2015-01-18 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
On one hand, it theoretically could be improved by making the arrows significantly smaller. That being said, it would then make it difficult to use for those people who do want them and it would still see the tags take up more space than they previously did.

It becomes a matter of aesthetic versus functionality and you can't improve one without the other failing, whether you reduce the font size, the padding between the tag lines or just the size of the arrows.

While I understand you'd prefer constructive feedback and I promise you I'm trying to do that, I'm not sure there is anything that can be done to improve it without a sacrifice to either form or functionality.
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[personal profile] hydok 2015-01-18 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconding the idea of smaller arrows, even if you do offer an option for individual users to disable them.
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[personal profile] kinetic 2015-01-18 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, making the arrows smaller becomes an issue of accessibility. It'd be better if the people who wanted it could keep the full-size arrows, and those who didn't could simply have no arrows at all.
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[personal profile] kvancelot 2015-01-18 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Spent the morning trying to think of viable solutions and came up short.

I can at least offer some thoughts on what I find bothersome, though, since I know that's something you guys are looking for.
1.) Using the arrows, especially in large groups of tags, becomes particularly unwieldy in that you have to "re-orient" yourself every time to effectively utilize them. This is particularly awful if you're doing DWRP with massive walls of text that are already traditionally difficult to navigate in mass quantities.

1 | 2 | 3

In examples 1-3 (from the role play side of things, of course), you'll see the placement of the arrow is very inconsistent. Not like a HUGE deal, obviously, but it adds an element of challenge when searching long lists of tags. If nothing else, maybe make certain the arrows stays with the character tag to avoid what's happening in example 2, as the arrows isn't sharing the same line as its associated tag. Get two or three of those in a row and it's going to be hard for the brain to pick the correct one without a little work.

2.) Hover options already concerns me because of the amount of miss-clicks I've experienced with all the other hover elements around town. I was very glad when I could turn that off and stop accidentally subscribing to journals or blocking my friends, haha.

3.) Mobile accessibility. Cannot say how often I already miss-click on links — especially tightly packed links — via my smartphone. I suspect this will frustrate more than just myself, but again, not a HUGE deal.
Thanks for listening~
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-01-19 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
Would it still be a problem for you if the block of tags with the arrows were at the bottom of the page below the bottom comment navigation, assuming that there were anchor tags both for the bottom comment navigation and the bottom tag block?

*also throwing around ideas*
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[personal profile] kvancelot 2015-01-19 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think I'd necessarily be opposed to the idea. I guess I'd have to see how it works to know for sure, but it seems like a good possibly compromise!
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[personal profile] musyc 2015-01-19 04:47 am (UTC)(link)
That doesn't seem like it would be a good solution to the 'can't read tags through arrows to see what post is about' issue. (Especially for the segment of users who use tags for content/trigger warnings, now that I think of that.) Though I might be misunderstanding what you're meaning about anchor tags. As I'm reading it, I'm picturing something at the top of the post saying click here for tags and something with the tags saying click here for top. Y/N? If Y, that's a whole lot of unnecessary clicking for a thing that still isn't very readable.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-01-19 06:32 am (UTC)(link)

I was thinking a tag block up top without arrows, for labeling, then one down at the bottom because that is both out of the way for mobile users and more useful if you wanted to read the whole entry and all the comments before finding the next one. The anchors are mostly for styles to take advantage of.

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[personal profile] kyrielle 2015-01-19 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I...could kinda live with this, except I like my tag list, sans arrows, at the bottom of my posts. But yeah, if I could have a block without arrows down there, and then another block with arrows below it, I guess I could live. I suspect I'd have to train myself either to not scroll down that far or not look - something about the aesthetic really trips my "this is not RIGHT" reaction, but if I didn't have to actively use it (for finding the tags at all), I suspect I could train myself to ignore it.
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[personal profile] dragonring 2015-01-18 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
But shut it off it's what we want. Maybe not for the whole site if some people really use it (can't imagine what for when it makes browsing actually slower) but give us a disabling option. Adding stuff makes the tags on entries a clusterfuck to read, like the screenshots the another person provided show.
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)

Shut it off is what you want, and what a few other people want... but this was a feature requested and talked about by other people who use this site, so, it's not a majority opinion.

It will always be impossible to give everybody what they want. If you have some constructive comments to leave, we'll totally take them into account as we iterate on the idea. I can't predict where we'll end up right now, but you can be a part of figuring that out, if you want!

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[personal profile] dragonring 2015-01-18 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I got the part where some people do use it, and that's why I said it could at least have a disabling option (like the hover menu on userheads, some people use it, others turn it off). That would give everyone what they want.

[personal profile] jade_pop 2015-01-18 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
If this is the suggestions post where the feature was discussed, I can guarantee more than 40 people do NOT like it. I wouldn't call that a minority opinion.
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[personal profile] withbite 2015-01-19 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
18 people saying yes to something is hardly a majority. That it was the majority of that post doesn't negate that I think you've received 18, if not more, reactions here of people that are decidedly against it, or would at least prefer an option to be able to disable it.

I'm not someone that plays around in the suggestions or beta comms, so changes like this are always brand spanking new to me. I can say that if you'd put up a DW-wide poll the week/month before with a 'this is what we're going to do, yes/no?', there would have been a wider pool of participants and you might have actually gotten an actual site-wide majority on one answer or another. Considering that the custom colors option was removed because less than one percent of the site uses it when far less than one percent of the site participated in that poll/discussion seems pretty contradictory.

As far as feedback goes, a lot of my concerns have been brought up quite nicely here. It's aesthetically jumbled, it has a likelihood of more mis-clicks because of how close they are together, the paired forward/backward arrows don't stay on the same line as what they're tied to, so you get what looks to be disembodied floaty arrows. I've heard from mobile users that it's already a pain in the booty, and, tbh, the functionality of it seems almost ridiculously picky when there is the easier option of just clicking on the tag itself and having all resulting entries brought up -- which I find much more practical, particularly if I have no idea when the entry I'm looking for was made or how many clicks back I'll have to go.

I really do like that you're interactive with people who have something to say about this and I appreciate the time taken to answer what can come across as a bunch of people whining that they're not getting their way. I think if you're concerned about what the majority wants, the option of putting up a poll and seeing how many would like an opt-out feature would be the more practical thing to do.

[personal profile] jade_pop 2015-01-19 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
I think if you're concerned about what the majority wants, the option of putting up a poll and seeing how many would like an opt-out feature would be the more practical thing to do.

Like a site-wide poll on display names, that would be cool although I guess the staff are sick of hearing about it.
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[personal profile] withbite 2015-01-19 04:16 am (UTC)(link)
I understand that and like I've said, I appreciate you and Mark and the other developers and staff's willingness to have discussions about usability issues and offer transparency about the changes and situations going on with the site we've all come to love. I certainly don't think that just because people make a comment that they don't like something that they should be catered to on that basis alone.

I appreciate that feedback is something that's listened to and actually taken into consideration here. It's a far cry from other services I've used and it makes me feel more secure in using the site when I know that I'm not screaming into a void. (Tumblr? LJ? Haha... helloooo - oooo- oooo.)

That being said, I merely made the voting comparison an option because of the thread going on already. It was brought up as one of the reasons as to why the change was implemented and I thought debating against it was acceptable. I have no idea what you guys have to do behind the scenes to keep this place running and frankly, I don't want to. It's too much and my brain would break, so you and the rest of the staff have my utmost respect for dealing with the hassle of what this place can be.

Like I said, I found a workaround for the arrows by using a greasemonkey script that someone was kind enough to make and share. That takes away the arrows for me and that's was my biggest problem with it, since it was aesthetics and functionality for me. It's not a site-approved method, granted, but if it's too hard to initiate or apply an opt in for the site without it borking things, that's an alternative you can always offer (or point out - Post here, for those that would like it)

And since I'm in this reply and I'm a lazy cowfart, I figured I'd add this here: This is what userheads are looking like in my email now, along with the icons not showing up. Just in case you need something to show to the tweakers when they get back from traveling. =)
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[personal profile] quantumreality 2015-02-21 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually find it esthetically displeasing myself, especially after looking at the screenshots of 20+ tags shown by kvancelot.

I add my name to the list of those asking for a revert to non-arrowed tags; extra delimiters in some cases do NOT add to a parsing experience for the human eye. The comma is a perfectly acceptable delimiter that's been used for literally hundreds of years in the English language.
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2015-01-19 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe a version of a cut? Like, the first ten tags will show with arrows, and the rest are hidden under a cut ("See other tags") which opens inline so people can expand when they want? Maybe have an option to always have all tags shown/always hide >10 tags?
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[personal profile] kyrielle 2015-01-19 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
A little button next to the first tag (if there are any tags) to show browsing arrows. And have them default to collapsed or expanded, whichever way I personally last had them (so people who don't care for them can collapse them and leave them that way, but have the option to pull them up if they'd be useful, while people who are doing extended browsing of a tag set can have them open and not have to re-open them each time).

Or providing a class so I can use CSS to hide them, for those who don't have any use for them.

Or an absolutely minimal foot print. (Visually, the arrows for my 'links' tag on my latest post may occupy more space than the actual tag. I haven't got out a ruler to measure it, but it's a pretty close thing.) The current arrows are huge.

And...if you got to that page by doing next/prev on a particular tag (using those arrows), would it make sense to make the tag visually distinct in some way so it's easy to find it in the list of tags and arrows to keep on browsing? I don't really see a use case for me for any part of this feature, but people talk about browsing longfic and also about tag hordes, and I can see where this would be less than useful if you were in a journal using tag hordes and trying to chase one that naturally fell somewhere in the middle of the horde. You'd have to hunt it up in the visual barrage with each post.
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[personal profile] lizvogel 2015-01-20 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
A little button next to the first tag (if there are any tags) to show browsing arrows.

This is a brilliant suggestion. Makes the arrows readily accessible for those who want 'em, makes 'em functionally non-existent for those who don't.

In case anyone's counting, chalk up one more vote for no arrows, please. It's actually a very cool idea, and I can see why some people might want it, but for me the visual clutter (even with only a few tags) outweighs any potential benefit.

Edited 2015-01-20 18:28 (UTC)
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[personal profile] ree 2015-01-19 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Please consider making the ?style=light pages free from tag-arrows. I can't think of a use case where someone specifically using that style would still want the arrows. (Which doesn't mean one doesn't exist!)

I'm a bit surprised the arrows weren't instituted as a URL arg (&tagnav=1), making them something users could freely call up or hide away as desired, instead of spreading arrows everywhere like so much glitter. Maybe that way is too much of a pain for so small a thing?
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[personal profile] jordannamorgan 2015-01-22 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Nothing will "fix" the arrows for me. I found them useless, ugly, space-consuming, and more likely to make me click on something I didn't mean to accidentally.

This opinion is not going to change a day, a month, or a year from now. I just want them GONE. Please.
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[personal profile] maerhys 2015-01-28 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
+1
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+1

[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2015-01-18 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Same reading issue for me which is a big problem for me as a community admin: tagging entries is already a nightmare because of the old UI but checking whether I've forgotten a tag or mistyped it is also harder now.

I'm sorry but I don't have any improvement to suggest. I thought about putting them below the tags but I'm not sure that would help or even make sense.

Edit: can the link at least have a class so we can hide them easily with custom CSS?

Edit2: and the blank space *not* be hardcoded...
Edited 2015-01-18 15:30 (UTC)
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Re: +1

[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
*self-deprecating laugh* And this is why I shouldn't code frontend UI.

Apologies for making it difficult to CSS modify - not my intention, I swear.
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Re: +1

[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2015-01-18 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
*hugs* Last time I was on this band wagon it was a team effort. You have nothing to blame yourself for but I accept your apologies if it matters to you. :)

Someone suggested good class names some comments below; I'm sure they'll be implemented shortly! Also it was good to flex my CSS muscles trying to come up with a solution so I appreciated the challenge even if I moaned about it.
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Re: +1

[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-22 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
The true-but-unhelpful answer is 'it depends'. Dreamwidth doesn't have a fixed schedule for code pushes, so it depends on a) someone writing up the change and b) there being a code push to release the change to the site. The first is something I could do this weekend (it's not a difficult change, but I've got a lot on my plate at the moment), but the release schedule is completely up to the official staff.
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Re: +1

[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-22 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
I'm flattered that you believe I have that level of control and influence.

Re: +1

[personal profile] jade_pop 2015-01-22 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
I get your frustration but you're being awfully rude, or at least very pushy, to a volunteer here.
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Re: +1

[personal profile] zaluzianskya 2015-01-18 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Even if the links had a class so they could be hidden with custom CSS, I and a lot of other RPers view entry pages in the site skin. So, no custom CSS.
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Re: +1

[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2015-01-18 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah you'd have to install a custom stylesheet (like Stylish one) or a script. I made a Stylish style but I think, in this instance, an opt-out option wouldn't be a bad idea. I like the site skin style because it's nice and simple.
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Re: +1

[personal profile] random_ooc 2015-01-18 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. I also use the site skin.
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[personal profile] green_knight 2015-01-18 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Seconded. I wish I'd been able to beta-test this, I would have gone NO WAY all over this feature - particularly as most of them lead to error pages.
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-18 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know about the beta testing, but I just found out there was a user poll for this feature? I wasn't even aware dw-suggestions existed. I would've voted no as well.
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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2015-01-18 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Well the suggestion imagined a totally different implementation actually so you wouldn't have seen this coming either way. :/
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[personal profile] kyrielle 2015-01-19 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I voted yes for the suggestion because as described, I thought it would be neat - in this case the implementation is so far from that envisioned that my reaction is a complete opposite.
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[personal profile] malurette 2015-01-18 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Came here to ask this. Have read the entire thread and still don't understand what purpose the little arrows serve. They just clutter my community's posts and it seems I can't click anymore on my tags with them on the way, which defeats the very purpose of tagging. I'd like a way to disable them, please.
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
The arrows are intended to take you to the next or previous post with that tag.

I am not quite following what you mean by "can't click anymore" - the main tag link should still be completely functional (and is by my testing). Do you have an example?
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[personal profile] malurette 2015-01-19 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
Ok, now that makes sense, thank you! It does seem a good idea, but then can the arrows be made smaller? They still take a lot of place on posts with multiple tags.

It should be functional and now it is again, but for some reason yesterday it just... didn't work, I don't know why. The mouse wouldn't change form when pointed on a tag, as if it were just a line with no link behind, and trying to click anyway led nowhere.
I don't know if the bug came from the code changes or if it was just a coincidence with my web browser acting up? But now it's fixed, everything's working again!
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[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-27 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Hotfix pushed to give the arrows their own CSS class. You can now banish them with

.tagnav { display:none; }
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[personal profile] yabamena 2015-01-29 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for this! Though I have to say that particular code didn't work for me when I tried it out. However, I've got a script going that takes care of it!
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[personal profile] discodiva76 2015-01-18 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
OK..another query...


If there are NO comments before you reply to a post...you HAVE to use Quick Reply??...because there are no comments before to read...:(


Sorry if this is a nuisance but I hate technological changes - which is why I came over to DW from LJ because of all the "messing around".....


I hope DW won't be implementing too much new stuff as I really prefer the way it's been running since its inception....


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[personal profile] finch 2015-01-18 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
Not staff, but if you click on the subject line it'll take you to the individual page for the post where you can reply the old-fashioned way.
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2015-01-18 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
The title of the entry is also a link to the entry on its own page, and the standard reply form can be used from there.
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
We forked it so that we can continue to make changes, but in a good direction :)

Feedback on changes is always welcome, but we're not going to stand still.
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[personal profile] random_ooc 2015-01-18 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Just please don't change yourself to uselessness. That other site that this one is related to... I can't even read it anymore. I'm not joking or exaggerating. It causes severe pain to my wonky eyes.
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[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)

Definitely definitely won't be going down that path. Oh for sure.

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[personal profile] random_ooc 2015-01-18 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad to read that.
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[personal profile] cheyinka 2015-01-18 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
At least for me, middle-clicking the reply icon/link (to open it in a new tab) works to get the old behavior, just like middle-clicking the tracking icon/link does. Does that work for you?
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[personal profile] musyc 2015-01-19 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Additionally, in case you don't know this, the layout you're using right now (and I think most of the layouts on DW, but I'm not certain) has a link to open the post itself. In each entry on your reading page, in the bottom right corner of the post next to the 'reply' clicky, is one that says 'link'. That will open the post without a reply box.
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[personal profile] basilmemories 2015-01-18 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
Well crap, the main rp tracking comm I have uses colors extensively for easy reading and clarity of where the posts are coming from. How difficult will it be to implement in css, namely this style? I've already got some basic css modification going on there, and I'm just hoping it doesn't conflict with the new changes/css workaround.
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[personal profile] momijizukamori 2015-01-18 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
It looks like you're picking it per comm (or group of comms, rather), not per user, right? That should be fairly easy - basically the most complicated part is 'how many different color sets are you trying to use'. Also, the big change is killing the page that lets you select custom colors, and the layout changes will probably be fairly minor!
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[personal profile] basilmemories 2015-01-19 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
Yep! And pretty much the jist of it is that each game gets a color scheme, with varying shades depending on if it's a main comm, ooc comm, exc. So each comm would still need to be styled, but it's not like I'm following each player in every game.

Since mark explained that just the UI is going away, it also helps. Then I'm not just limited to the palette they provide.
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[personal profile] momijizukamori 2015-01-19 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)

Yeah, that won't be bad to style, then. If you want I can give you the CSS now!

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[personal profile] finch 2015-01-18 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
Quicker Reply makes me ridiculously happy. No more needing to open fourteen tabs on my phone!
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[personal profile] hustru 2015-01-18 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
Just wanted to throw in a voice from someone who likes the function of the arrows a lot, though they do clutter up the tags section a bit, expecially in entries with a lot of tags (like RP posts/logs with many participants). But the idea of it is a really neat thing imo.

Will quick reply ever be available for comms too, or will it stay limited to the reading pages?
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[personal profile] sai 2015-01-18 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
I am going to second it (re: tag arrows)! I think they look a little clunky, but it might be the effect of "whoa! stuff is different" more than anything. I might get used to it within a few days.

I love the idea though and I'm excited for them since I find myself digging through tags way too often.
Edited 2015-01-18 10:08 (UTC)
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[personal profile] rootsofthestories 2015-01-18 10:02 am (UTC)(link)
*draws hearts all over this update*
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[personal profile] mitbix 2015-01-18 10:41 am (UTC)(link)
NOOOO CUSTOM COLOURS
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[personal profile] ratcreature 2015-01-18 10:42 am (UTC)(link)
I have a question about the tag arrows: If my posts with a tag have different access levels, say some are access looked, some public, some for custom groups, will people browsing by the arrows see an error i.e. "you don't have access to that post" or will they go to the next post they are allowed to see as if they were browsing by the tag view?
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Quicker reply

[personal profile] shinsetsu 2015-01-18 11:01 am (UTC)(link)
OoOoOoooh! Quicker Reply is awesome! :)
Edited 2015-01-18 11:04 (UTC)
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[personal profile] schematise 2015-01-18 11:02 am (UTC)(link)
I personally like the tag arrows but I'm also running on a wide-screen laptop with a wide-screen style so all the widths of posts are bigger, and thus the clutter is less cluttered to me. I can see loading from a smaller resolution or from a mobile device it'd probably end up a pain because it increases the number of things above a post by like 2/3. So i mulled this over on 4 hours of sleep and a partial fix from a clutter point of view (yet not readability for people who have problems parsing the business of arrows between tags) might be to only automatically load, say 10? tags? and then hide the rest under a 'more' option that dumps them out when you click it? to clean up the page

Readability I dunno, maybe make the arrows a different colour or size to the actual tags
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[personal profile] kikibug13 2015-01-18 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
As somebody who likes the arrows as such, but has a problem with them in many-tags posts? This is a definite no for me. In those posts with tens and tens of tags, I use the tags to, at a glance, see who's already there before I start scrolling through the actual comments. So only seeing the first few on first loading makes it a pain, not an improvement.

Which is why I'm arguing for an option to disable them for where they're more of a hindrance than help.
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[personal profile] cloudsinvenice 2015-01-18 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Readability I dunno, maybe make the arrows a different colour or size to the actual tags

I guess the user would have to define that from their style customisation - the other option I wonder about is making the tag text bold, so the words still stand out. Of course it doesn't answer the problem of excess that RPers have mentioned, but this might be a problem that needs multiple solution options anyway.
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[personal profile] silverflight8 2015-01-19 03:14 am (UTC)(link)
I should have scrolled down before making my (identical) suggestion :P
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[personal profile] kyrielle 2015-01-19 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The last paragraph, +1.

The first, no, please. When I use tags, I want all of them...and no arrows, but if I have to pick, I'd rather have all of them with arrows than 10 of them with arrows and the ability to have more.
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[personal profile] asfreeasleaves 2015-01-18 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
OH oh! The new quicker reply! So snazzy. A feature I wanted. Thank you so much for implementing it.
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[personal profile] benedict 2015-01-18 11:41 am (UTC)(link)
I like the new quick reply, and deep in my heart I wish I could just put in a made up country instead of having to use a real one if I put that in my profile. But I assume there's a reason for real countries and Will Live.
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[personal profile] roga 2015-01-18 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
I was just wishing yesterday for a way to reply from my rlist instead of in a new tab and now this! Yay :-)
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[personal profile] tyger 2015-01-18 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
Oh no, the sidebar's gone from my create entries page! *pokes it more* ...okay, my entires page window has to be SCARY wide for it to go back to two-column. I realise the masses of white space is a pretty widespread trend right now, and as such might be inevitable in the code upgrade, but is it possible to shrink it down a bit more? It's taking up like 75% of my screen right now, which is at least 15% more than I'd like.

Yes, yes, I know I'm an odd end of the bell curve case. But I really like the sidebar, so I figured I'd ask. <3

That being said, wheeee, awesome things! Quicker Reply and oh noes you forgot to keyword your icon will both be super super handy for me! :D And adding SSL is always a good idea, I think. Tag arrows, I don't much mind either way, personally, but I see the RPers point. Would it be too difficult to add a show/hide tag arrows toggle next to the tags list? (Say, just before the Tag: ) If it remembered which way it was set, that might be a good way of keeping the functionality but also not expanding super long for RPers etc. But IDK maybe that would be way too complex to code; whatever works!
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[personal profile] lemon_badgeress 2015-01-18 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
*waves* adding a related point for the team to consider --

the masses of whitespace is a SUCKY trend, and I'm really disappointed to see it creeping in here. excessive whitespace can be a migraine trigger and keep people from using the site. :(
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[personal profile] ilyena_sylph 2015-01-18 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
This, so much this.

Which is really weird for me to say, given how happy I generally am with new stuff from DW.
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[personal profile] filialucis 2015-01-24 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
Agree so much. I don't get migraines, but in general I go on the web to see content, not whitespace, and I've been really annoyed with other sites that have redesigned themselves to display as little content as possible on any individual screen. This is a general gripe, not directed at DW, but yes, I would love it if DW could resist this particular trend!

[personal profile] passionfruit 2015-01-24 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Same here. I'd really appreciate it if the whitespace could be toned down. Excessive whitespace is something that can definitely trigger a migraine for me. I hate seeing it here, and with so little I can alter about it when the rest of DW has so many options that make it easy for me to avoid stuff like this.
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[personal profile] slowsouthernstyle 2015-01-18 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I just have two queries. Is there a way to make the general font smaller on the create entries page? Everything is very squashed up for me now, and the browse tags page for communities with longer tags is all squashed and hard to see what tick box goes with what tag. This seems like it would be a problem for anyone not using a wide-screen computer. This Arial font seems huge now for entries that might have a lot of text.

Also, will there be a way to move the drop down menu of where to post to to above or alongside the entry box? I, and many people I know (roleplayers), tend to choose the community we post to and the tags before making the entry so we don't accidentally post to the wrong place and tag correctly. And this is really a petty preference, but the Post button before choose the whether an entry is public and what journal to post to is confusing.
Edited 2015-01-18 12:58 (UTC)
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[personal profile] warmredautumn 2015-01-18 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I was about to come here to post as well, but I'm pretty much just going to say that everything in this post is exactly what I'm struggling with as well. It makes it very difficult, and everything seems smooshed together.
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[personal profile] kyrielle 2015-01-19 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll probably get used to it, but I'd really like it reverted too - if I want an entry restricted or to a community, that's the first thing I set, so I don't accidentally forget or screw it up. This set up means extra scrolling and fishing. (That said, having it be a sentence is a really cute conceit - it's just not very usable.)
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[personal profile] fuchsian 2015-01-18 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for your great work as always!
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[personal profile] saratogaroad 2015-01-18 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
So something seems to have happened to the Adult Concepts page? (see here) I tested that in both Chrome and Firefox, with all LJ/DW related extensions/tools/addons both enabled and disabled-then-hard-refreshed and it always came out the same. I think it may have something to do with the new login popup window thing, given that that button is also new but.../shrug? Apologies if this is in the wrong place.
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[personal profile] merryghoul 2015-01-18 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I've noticed this too.
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Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] brainwane 2015-01-18 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm enjoying the new way to navigate old archives via tag arrows! It used to be that if I wanted to see other entries that person had posted on that topic around the same time, I had to do a lot of mucking about with archives and keep track of dates. This will be a lot easier. Thank you for the new feature!

Right now I see that there are arrows in both directions even when there's, for instance, no next entry with that tag, so I click the pointing-right arrow and get a "There is no entry following this one. Go back to [user]" error. It would be cool if you did not show the arrow in that circumstance.

Yay SSL! I am looking forward to being able to browse and post to Dreamwidth more securely. I am having trouble with the new option and filed a GitHub issue.

And I love that there are now fewer open source projects in the world trying to provide their own answer to the "what is the canonical list of countries" headache. Yay delegation!
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Just wanted to chime with a bit of the decision-making behind the tag-arrows (since I did most of the heavy lifting)

First off, to the folks commenting earlier (and I wish I had a way to tag this to you) - the display kerfuffle when there's several tags looks like a horrible kludge to me, too. I erred on the side of 'display them when you might want them' and may have gone too far, but was utterly stumped on any way to reduce the clutter without hiding it when folks /do/ want it.

To brainwane specifically - I looked at disabling the arrows for invalid links. It would absolutely look better! Unfortunately, it would also be a MASSIVE server hit; the way it's implemented right now the "figure out where i'm going" code (in go.bml, for the record) only gets called once, when you click on any given link. In order to do "smart" display of tags like you suggest, we'd have to call it once for every link on a page. and do it at page-load time, too. Which...eep.
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[personal profile] brainwane 2015-01-18 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
woggy: thanks for your reply! I totally understand your explanation re: the zillions of additional server hits it would cost to check for invalid arrows. Yeah, massive performance cost -- totally get it.

It sounds, from the other comments on this post, that y'all will be taking a fresh look at the tag arrows in any case. I look forward to seeing what you end up doing! And thanks for all your (and other DW developers') replies to help work this out.
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] withbite 2015-01-18 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Popping in here since you seem to be the one to talk to about this, but is there a way to possibly make them an opt in/out option? I'm in a game right now where we have posts that can get 30+ people tagging in and the huge mess that makes of the tags is just horrendous.

Take this post, for example. That is just... way too many arrows. I understand the intent of them and it's actually a good idea, but it's also incredibly clunky in something like this and adds to an already large tag system.
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-18 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
It is absolutely a mess with that many tags. I've not heard anything about an official direction (I'm no [staff profile] denise or [staff profile] mark, just a part-time developer), but I'd imagine that an opt-out tickbox is one of the options that is being/will be discussed.

Thank you for your input.
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] withbite 2015-01-18 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for a response. =) I hope that it's something that will at least be discussed, if not implemented. One of the things I love about DW is how inclusive Denise and Mark are in regards to their customer base. They listen and don't just give people the finger and say "W/E, we do what we want." Personally, I'm happy to have them be an option, but I'd really love the chance to opt out. At least for communities and such, since that's where the bulk of the problem will be.
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] marahmarie 2015-01-21 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
So...invalid links could perhaps be assigned a special CSS class on the backend to be hidden away, at least? (I have no idea how this might work but say the backend checks once per page load for invalid links and hides them via CSS by the time the page finishes loading? Or would that mean a big server hit, too? Maybe so, if each actual link has to be checked and yeah, maybe they do. Huh.)
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] jordannamorgan 2015-01-22 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
So you have something to do with the tag arrows?

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE KILL THEM. I'M BEGGING YOU.

Yes, over at [community profile] style_system, some smart folks have figured out how to hide them on the most important pages (main, reading, and individual entry). But we can't get rid of them on tag-filtered pages. (At least not without making tags disappear completely on a journal's main page--apparently because the blasted things don't have names? I know nothing about coding, so my knowledge is limited to copy/pasting what people tell me to.)

I just want the arrows gone, completely, everywhere. PLEASE. I love DW and have almost never had any complaints, but this is probably my least favorite thing the site has done since I migrated here.
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-22 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
I was the person who implemented the design, yes.

The tag arrows are coded to only show up on tag and individual entry pages - if you're seeing them on main and read, that's not behavior-as-written.

A fix to the CSS to give the tag arrows their own label is a good idea; I do apologize for not having considered it in the initial release.
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] jordannamorgan 2015-01-22 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
They *were* showing up on my main and reading pages, yes. I'm now using the code offered on [community profile] style_system that gets rid of them everywhere but the tag-filter pages. And I don't want them there either. I don't want them ANYWHERE.
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Re: Tag arrows :) SSL :) delegation :)

[personal profile] woggy 2015-01-22 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Huh, odd. I'm not seeing them on your main or read pages with ?style=original and am completely at a loss for what's causing the discrepancy.

Edited (clumsy syntax.) 2015-01-22 02:13 (UTC)
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[personal profile] munaks 2015-01-18 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I think something might have happened to the account creation system. I keep getting redirected to https://perlbal/create which registers as an error, instead of the set-up page.
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[personal profile] tornir 2015-01-18 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
This is also affecting the account management page (http://www.dreamwidth.org/manage/logins). I tried to clear an inactive open session, and got redirected to https://perlbal/manage/logins, which appears to be a non-existent domain/page.
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[personal profile] henrydaniel 2015-01-18 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
getting this as well, on chrome.
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[personal profile] cupnoodles 2015-01-18 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Getting the same error, Firefox user.
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[personal profile] nightvision 2015-01-18 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Happening to me as well, tried both on my computer (Firefox) and on my cell (not sure which browser I use there actually...).
mark: A photo of Mark kneeling on top of the Taal Volcano in the Philippines. It was a long hike. (Default)

[staff profile] mark 2015-01-18 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Should be fixed, sorry about that!

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