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Denise ([staff profile] denise) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2010-05-19 11:09 pm

Weekly update, 19 May

Greetings from the west coast! I apologize for the update being so late this week; I was traveling on Monday, got into town at around midnight, and then spent most of last night planning the panel discussions we're having today and tomorrow at the NCWIT summit here in Portland. This means I haven't had a whole lot of time to pull things together, but still, I'll try to cover what I can! (Next week's update shouldn't be so late.)



1. Development



It's been a busy week in directions other than development, so we don't have a code tour for you this week yet -- we'll add it on to next week's. This week's patches were mostly styles-related -- minor CSS fixes and code cleanup -- but we also have a patch from [personal profile] kareila to implement the "show the community's userpic instead of the poster's userpic" preference, which is something that got overlooked in our revisions to the S2 programming language that journal styles are implemented in.

As usual, these patches aren't live yet -- we'll announce the next code push in [site community profile] dw_maintenance when we're ready to release the new code. If you're ever wondering if a particular change that you've seen in Bugzilla or in a [site community profile] dw_dev code tour is live or not, check the Code Status page.

Meanwhile, for those who noticed that our "Dreamhack" hosted developer environment was down earlier in the week, it's fixed now! Sorry about that. The program has proven so popular that we ran out of memory on the machine-- we're making some changes to see if we can improve performance on the machine, and if we can't, we'll upgrade it.


2. V-Gift Art



As someone pointed out last week, I failed to mention how people should submit their artwork to be considered for vgifts! (Oops.) If you've got something you'd like to submit, you can send it to me at denise@dreamwidth.org. We're looking for gifts in all styles and genres, so send 'em on in.


3. Summer of Code Projects



Our Summer of Code students will be starting their projects this upcoming week! We've been spending the past few weeks getting them set up and settled, and next week begins the programming phase. As part of that, and in order to help out students have a good sense of what bits of their projects they should be prioritizing, we wanted to check in with you guys about what you'd like to see coming out of each project.

We've already asked about mobile and desktop clients, and the business statistics are something that you guys won't ever really see, but the other four could use your input.

(For all of these, please answer the questions in separate comments, and put the project you're giving feedback on in the title of the comment, in order to make it easiest for our students to find the feedback on what they're working on!)


3a. Rich Text Editor



This is [personal profile] chiming's project, and she'd like to know what you like and hate about the existing WYSIWYG/Rich Text editor (RTE). If you've got suggestions on this, please comment with:

* Whether you use the RTE as it is for updates or not. If you do use it, why do you use it? What pieces of it do you love? What things do you hate? Are there any features you'd really like to see added?

* If you don't use it, why don't you? Is there a particular problem that makes you not use it? Is there anything that you'd want to see added to make you want to use it in the future?

* If there were to be a RTE for comments (optional, just like the one for entries), are there any features that should be different than the one for entries? Is there anything that particularly should or shouldn't be added?


3b. Poll System



In order to give [personal profile] jportela a hand with enhancements to the polling system, we'd like to know:

* What do you love about the existing poll system? What do you hate about it?

* Among other goals, we're looking to enhance the ability to analyze the data gathered by polls, so some of the enhancements included in this project are things like ability to download a CSV file of poll responses, ability to view how each respondant answered all the questions of a poll, and ability to cross-correlate responses ("Of the people who said they like cheese, 41% of them said they also like wine; of the people who don't like cheese, 21% said they also like wine", that kind of thing). Are there any other data-analysis methods or reports you'd find useful?

3c. Calendar/Scheduling



[personal profile] panna is doing a calendaring/events type system -- you can view a sumamary of the calendar proposal. After you read the proposal, if you would find such a feature helpful, let us know:

* What kind of things would you use it for? What features would you want to see in it?

* Is there anything else you'd like to see included?

* Are there any other ways you can think of to integrate the system into your journal?


3d. "Named Guest" commenting



The spec for this is attached to Bug 759. This is going to be [personal profile] the_wanlorn's project, and in this case, if you're interested in this feature you can let us know:

* How you, as a commenter, would expect this to work;

* What kind of tools you as a journal owner would want to see for managing and interacting with this commenting level (for instance, do you think it should fit with anonymous comments? be a separate comment security level? Etc.)


4. Email Delivery



People who are using email addresses from AT&T, SBC Global, Yahoo, and Bell South may notice problems receiving email from us -- these providers are once again refusing at least part of our email as spam. We'll be doing the usual song and dance to be unblocked, but if your email address is with one of these providers, you might want to temporarily switch to a backup email address. You can change your email address and change it back once the problems are resolved. (Or, change it to a backup email address and then forward all the mail sent to that address to your mailbox of choice.)


5. OSCON



Mark and I will be speaking at OSCON, the annual O'Reilly Open Source Convention, held this year in Portland from July 19-23. (And [staff profile] fu will be there, too!) If you're interested in going, but the price tag makes you wince a little, you can use this code for a 20% discount on registration: os10fos.


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That should do us for now! As always, if you're having problems with Dreamwidth, Support can help you; for notices of site problems and downtime, check the Twitter status page; if you've got an idea to make the site better, you can make a suggestion.

See you next week for our next update!
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3a. Rich Text Editor

[personal profile] cesy 2010-05-20 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
* Whether you use the RTE as it is for updates or not. If you do use it, why do you use it? What pieces of it do you love? What things do you hate? Are there any features you'd really like to see added?
I don't use it at the moment.

* If you don't use it, why don't you? Is there a particular problem that makes you not use it? Is there anything that you'd want to see added to make you want to use it in the future?
It's too slow (to load and to respond to typing) and produces too much extraneous/inaccessible code.

* If there were to be a RTE for comments (optional, just like the one for entries), are there any features that should be different than the one for entries? Is there anything that particularly should or shouldn't be added?
Nothing particularly different - just keep it lean for the average user, with buttons to add in whatever extras you need.
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[personal profile] cesy 2010-05-20 08:27 am (UTC)(link)
Also, the RTE just tried to close my <user name=myfriend> tag with a </user> tag at the end of the paragraph. :s

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3c. Calendar/Scheduling

[personal profile] cesy 2010-05-20 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
* What kind of things would you use it for? What features would you want to see in it?
I'd use it for challenges and festivals, to get reminded of deadlines for ficathons. I'd also like to use it to remind me of regular posts I'm meant to make.

* Is there anything else you'd like to see included?
Integration is key - ideally with both Google and Outlook, with appropriate privacy controls and options.

* Are there any other ways you can think of to integrate the system into your journal?
Make it link up with the new scheduled posting thing somehow?
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-05-20 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
I ... *shamefaced* ... use the RTE. On occasion. Weekly, actually.

Whenever I have a large chunk of something to copy over with the formatting intact, and I'm too lazy to view source, or I don't feel like finding the particular chunk of source I want, I copy and then paste into the RTE -- then switch back to HTML mode so that I can clean up anything heinous that the RTE has done, and/or deal with any Scary Things, because data loss is not your friend, nor is it anyone's. (This doesn't appear to have happened on our branch of the code, but our parent's RTE has eaten things between user tags and comm tags before, and it makes me nervous.)

Right now, the RTE does not handle copied-and-pasted DW user OpenID tags at all well; I don't think it handles any copy/paste DW user tag well. To see what it does for yourself, find yourself a chunk of text that includes an OpenID user, or a regular user -- say, [identity profile] azurelunatic.livejournal.com, [personal profile] azurelunatic, [livejournal.com profile] azurelunatic -- that should be a decent chunk to copy/paste -- and paste it into the RTE, and watch the fuckery that results.

I made a suggestion on how to best handle this; it was deferred at that time, probably due to complexity in implementation, as it was well-supported.


I also use the RTE to sanitize things like chat logs with <_< and >_> and <username>; it's quicker than search-and-replace. I always tend to switch back to HTML before posting, though.


I have a dream of a mode that offers instant preview for those with systems robust enough to handle it; I believe [personal profile] aveleh was the one who turned me on to that dream.
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[personal profile] rainfall 2010-05-20 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
That is veeery interesting and we'll have to add something in to handle it. Doesn't seem like it'd be hard, just a REGEXP to add in there.

When you're switching back and forth, would you want to see all the markup involved? Like, the editor I'm poking at currently generates paragraphs -- so your post would show up with <p>'s in it. Or would you prefer the paragraph markup be hidden, and that in HTML mode you only see things like <strong>, <em>, <hr />, <li>, etc.?

I'm not quite sure how I'd implement this part, but I mean -- I am thinking right now that it would sort of make more sense to have the "HTML" view look like it does when you start out using it, with the linebreaks interpreted as <br />'s b t hidden from you. Just an idea I'm tossing around.

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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-05-20 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
RTE in comments -- on the one hand, this could be useful. On the other hand, my instinct is to shriek and say "kill it with fire", because I just know that some person who likes pretty shiny things and has not been schooled in the ways of accessible content presentation will use the thing to the fullest extent of its capabilities and leave comments filled with flashing, shrieking horror.

I do not want absolute font sizes, of course, and I'm glad that the current iteration of the RTE does not offer them. I do not want color, neither foreground nor background. I don't mind your strong, or your emphasis, or your quote (either q or blockquote), or your links. I have the horrible feeling that the same oh-gods-no demographic will manage to leave comments in all bold, all italic, all ffs subscript.

My icon expresses my feelings about people using excessive markup in comments, and expresses them with absolute accuracy.
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[personal profile] pauamma 2010-05-20 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't mind [...] your quote (either q or blockquote)
Hmm. One nice thing (IMO) would be a quote button that would let me choose between q or blockquote (instead of or in addition to guessing which I want). Whether that belongs in a hypothetical comment RTE or in the existing JS comment stuff is debatable, though.

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[personal profile] skuf 2010-05-20 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
I don't used the RTE, as I'm used to RTEs using deprecated code (<b>, etc.), so I prefer to hardcode my entries using e.g. <strong> for emphasized text and inline css for visual-only bolding as necessary.
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Re: 3a. Rich Text Editor

[personal profile] rainfall 2010-05-20 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
Let me reassure you that I'm only looking at RTEs that generate good code. <strong>, etc. I've even found one that does paragraphs. Paragraphs! With <p>'s!

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[personal profile] seryn 2010-05-20 07:13 am (UTC)(link)
RTE: when I toggle between HTML and RTE, I get extra whitespace lines. It's so irritating that I avoid the RTE unless I want to include a poll.

Toggling from RTE to HTML also corrupts the remote user linkage but not repeatably so I could report it.

There are also things you can't do in it, like spoiler masking (changing the background and foreground to the same color via <span> ) and inserting &;HTML entities for symbols.

Mostly though I hate that the RTE uses a sans-serif font (where "m" and "rn" look the same to me.) and the text inside the box is smaller than the text in the HTML box.

The other reason is because comments don't use RTE and I shouldn't get used to the lazy interface instead of coding my own italics and bolds.
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[personal profile] rainfall 2010-05-20 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
*nodnod* Consistency between RTE and HTML mode is one of the features I was looking to make sure we had, too. The extra whitespace is just weird. It shouldn't be there. We should be able to stop it from showing up.

Also, we were thinking of implementing a special Spoiler style, with a button all its own, or somthing. :3

*........encourages your laziness with comment-RTE*

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[personal profile] xtina 2010-05-20 07:18 am (UTC)(link)
I don't use the RTE much at all.  Nothing personal to this one, which I've used like twice, just I've found RTEs to generally be clunky and awkward.  They mangle the code, they take up too much time to load (I am scattered cat, and when unmedicated, I can't always afford to wait), and I am Way Too Picky to let something else do my code for me.

I mean, I still miss WordPerfect for Reveal Codes.  So.

I suppose if RTEs retained my double-spacing, I would feel more kindly towards them.
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[personal profile] rainfall 2010-05-20 07:28 am (UTC)(link)
I specifically presented my case in my application as wanting to work on this because I typically hate them. Clean code generation is a focal point of mine, right behind the darn thing being FAST.

Double spacing as in the spaces between sentences? ...Pretty sure the editor we're looking at right now can do that. It converts extra spaces to the &nbsp;. Sound like an improvement? :D

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3d. "Named Guest" commenting

[personal profile] instantramen 2010-05-20 07:19 am (UTC)(link)
As a commenter, I would expect this to work pretty much the same way choosing to comment with OpenID currently works: when you choose to comment anonymously, a text entry field appears prompting you for an optional name and email address, the latter of which will only be visible to whoever is capable of viewing logged IP addresses on that post.

As a journal owner, I would expect the commenting levels to be rearranged so that Named Guests and OpenID users are grouped together ("Identified Guests" or something). With this setting, anonymous commenters would be required to provide either a name (visible to all) or an email address (still visible only to whoever can view logged IPs on the post) and there would be a little notice like for screened comments or posts where anonymous and OpenID are disabled under the current system.
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3b. Poll System

[personal profile] skuf 2010-05-20 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
I generally love the poll system (it's actually my #1 reason for getting a paid account - I care way more about the ability to poll than e.g. number of icons).

The one thing I really miss is anonymous answers - where even the OP can't see who answered what. Something that works for text field answers, too, obviously. But I assume it's too difficult to do, since it hasn't already been implemented in the LJ code.
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[personal profile] pne 2010-05-20 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
One minor niggling thing on the polling feature: on LiveJournal (and presumably still on Dreamwidth, unless someone has changed it), the maximum number of options for a "scale" reply is 20. Having it be 21 would be much nicer, if only because you could do "from 0% to 100% in 5% steps" properly. (The classic "fencepost" error: there's one more fencepost than there are stretches of fence.)

One thing I really like about Dreamwidth's poll creator is that text boxes are "size=50 maxlen=255" by default, as opposed to LiveJournal's "size=30 maxlen=50", which people nearly never changed, so you'd end up with text boxes that were too short for more substantial responses... and since the table column was VARCHAR(255) last time I looked, you're not even saving database space by reducing the maxlen (it's a variable-length column), so you might as well always leave it at 255.

I like the "scale" response type and the fact that it gives some fun stats (mean, std.dev. - I think also median?). I like the fact that you have free-text, checkbox, and radio-button answer types.

I second [personal profile] yvi's comment that the poll creator makes it look as if polls can only have up to 15 questions of up to 15 options each, when the actual limitation is 255 questions of up to 255 options each. Either the poll creator should raise its limits, or it should at least say somewhat obviously that you can add more options per question (or more questions to the poll) by hand-editing the generated code. (Which is what I usually end up doing: generate a skeleton, then copy-paste to get all the questions or answers I want if there are more than 15 of either.)
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3a. Rich Text Editor

[personal profile] komikbookgeek 2010-05-20 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
* If you don't use it, why don't you? Is there a particular problem that makes you not use it? Is there anything that you'd want to see added to make you want to use it in the future?

I don't use it, partly because I find it so cumbersome and error prone after learning HTML, and partly because I don't mind using HTML. I don't really do polls so if/when I do, that might change. I'm not saying RTE is bad, just not something I like or believe I will ever like.

* If there were to be a RTE for comments (optional, just like the one for entries), are there any features that should be different than the one for entries? Is there anything that particularly should or shouldn't be added?
I probably wouldn't use it, so I'm not much help here. I suppose follow KISS and we're good!
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[personal profile] ellarien 2010-05-20 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
I must admit I've never tried the RTE here at all. I do non-WYSIWYG text stuff all the time, and it just comes easier for me to roll my own HTML than hunt around for menu icons.
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[personal profile] thedivinegoat 2010-05-20 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
Um. *Points to icon.*

I don't use it because it sticks to much unwanted code in there.

(Except I do because I can never remember how to do lists, but I always switch back into html mode to clean up the code.)
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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-05-20 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I do remember how to do lists, and I switch to the RTE to do them when I'm feeling lazy. (Discovered a bug on LJ that way, spent more time duplicating and writing up than I'd saved by using the RTE.)
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3b. Poll System

[personal profile] yvi 2010-05-20 07:53 am (UTC)(link)
I love being able to make polls.

However, things that really need to be changed:

* the poll creator really needs to respect the actual limitations on polls instead of arbitrary ones. You can put in much more options than it does currently

* truly anonymous polls (I suggested that once and it's on [personal profile] jportela's list, I think :)

* the ability to put only parts of a poll (full questions, not answers) behind a cut.

* better ability to repost polls

* ability to edit polls into an entry instead of having to post with them in the entry

* I would really love more options for poll designs, like for example having people either check a box or put in some custom text. That would get rid of all those "If you selected 'other' in the last question, what did you mean?" textbox questions

I am sure I can think of more :)

3d. "Named Guest" commenting

[personal profile] swaldman 2010-05-20 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
I assume that "named guests" are people who simply fill in their name with no authentication?

IMHO this should be a separate comment level, so that I can choose to allow named guest comments but not anon ones.
The reason for this is that with anon comments, people who have no particular wish to remain anonymous simply forget to sign their comments - so what I'd like is that they are forced to provide a name of some sort. They are still free to provide a fake name or "anon" if they wish.
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[personal profile] cesy 2010-05-20 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
I was just testing out the poll wizard for the first time, and noticed that it said "friends" instead of "people I've given access to". That'll probably need fixing.
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3c. Calendar/Scheduling

[personal profile] instantramen 2010-05-20 08:30 am (UTC)(link)
…I'm dreaming big here, so feel free to disregard any aspects that sound too difficult.

Perhaps calendar events could be treated sort of like posts? Make the same access filters available, optional minimum security level, let users view others' calendars in their own style, filter according to security and maybe special event-only tags (family event, vacation, work event, etc.) that the user would define.

I think it would also be pretty neat if we were able to easily cross-reference posts and calendar events somehow. How I imagine it working, although there are probably better ways, is if you tag a post with the name of an event in your calendar (OSCON 2010 or vacation: Florida for example) the post and the detailed view of the event will automatically link to each other with the usual warning about not being authorized to view one or the other if applicable.

Other than that, I'd definitely like to be able to sync it with and import events from my other calendars (I currently use Google Calendar as a hub connecting my iCal and Blackberry calendar). Being able to select exactly when an event recurs instead of just weekly/daily/monthly/yearly/every x [period] would be incredibly nifty, but I can live without it.

For a community, I imagine the ability to create and manage calendar events could be limited the same way posting and tagging are. Members and subscribers would be able to see these events in their own calendars (according to security level) as well as the events of people they subscribe to/have access to. These events could also be filtered ("my events"/"community events"/"circle events"/custom etc.)
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[personal profile] delight 2010-05-20 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
All of this!
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[personal profile] biodamped 2010-05-20 08:47 am (UTC)(link)
Whether you use the RTE as it is for updates or not. If you do use it, why do you use it? What pieces of it do you love? What things do you hate? Are there any features you'd really like to see added?
I hate most RTE's, because they're all generally the same - slow to load, clunky, and allow people who don't know html to hard-code bright red text that i'm then forced to view. The most annoying part, i guess, is that - i spend ages coding my friends page to display in aesthetically pleasing, easy to read colour combinations (and my eyes aren't the best, so this is to help that too) and then someone has the brilliant idea of formatting their post in seven different colours and tiny, 8pt, font. In addition is the fact that it seems to cause issues with things like cuts and so forth - especially on lj, i've seen hundreds of posts where the cut has failed due to the way their RTE deals with cut text.

If you don't use it, why don't you? Is there a particular problem that makes you not use it? Is there anything that you'd want to see added to make you want to use it in the future?
Aside from the clunky? I just don't feel the need to. It's very easy to learn system-specific tags and basic html ones (anchor, bold, etc) and since i don't like seeing hard coded colours on my own friends page, i respect my friends' rights to choose what colour my entries display in. Personally, i think RTE's are quite outdated - i know not everyone can be expected to learn how to tag things, but even the most technologically phobic of my friends have managed them so i really can't see a need for an RTE.

Having said that, i do concede it's an easy way to bulk format something, so perhaps a better switchback? At the moment if i format something using the RTE and change back to html to preview, i have hundreds of span/div codes - is this something inherent in the way it runs, or can it be changed so that only the b, a, i and so on tags show up?

If there were to be a RTE for comments (optional, just like the one for entries), are there any features that should be different than the one for entries? Is there anything that particularly should or shouldn't be added?
... given my issues with entry RTE's, i can't say i really like this idea very much at all. My vote would be a resounding "don't do it!" ;)
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[personal profile] softestbullet 2010-05-20 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe we could have an option to override font colors and sizes in one's friends page?

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[personal profile] dreamreaver 2010-05-20 08:52 am (UTC)(link)
Going against the grain and saying I use RTF primarily, though I switch back-and-forth when I need to do touch-ups. I've not learned much more than very basic HTML, I'm not a programmer.
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[personal profile] trixtah 2010-05-20 12:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I AM a techie, and I use the RTE because I can't be arsed typing extra characters. It'd be nice if it were more consistent between rich text and HTML modes.

Oh, and I for one don't care about inline-CSS - I still don't understand why the purists object so much to < b > and < i > tags (yes, I do know about strong and emphasis, and again, why do more typey-typey)?

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[personal profile] mstevens 2010-05-20 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
* Whether you use the RTE as it is for updates or not. If you do use it, why do you use it? What pieces of it do you love? What things do you hate? Are there any features you'd really like to see added?

I don't use the RTE for updates.

* If you don't use it, why don't you? Is there a particular problem that makes you not use it? Is there anything that you'd want to see added to make you want to use it in the future?

I don't use it due to several kinds of slowness - it seems to load slower than the HTML based editor, and I find it significantly quicker when writing a post to type in the appropriate HTML than work out how to do the same thing in the RTE.

The option to use something vaguely like wiki markup might be interesting - not sure if I'd like it in practice, just suggesting it as something that might be worth playing with.

* If there were to be a RTE for comments (optional, just like the one for entries), are there any features that should be different than the one for entries? Is there anything that particularly should or shouldn't be added?

No opinion.
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[personal profile] mstevens 2010-05-20 09:17 am (UTC)(link)
Forgot to say, one thing I always find difficult in RTEs everywhere, and something I do often, is making links. Although its been long enough since I used the dreamwidth one that I can't remember if it's difficult here.
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3a. Rich Text Editor

[personal profile] yvi 2010-05-20 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
I don't use the RTE. Because I feel more hardcore like that :D
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Re: 3a. Rich Text Editor

[personal profile] pne 2010-05-20 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
This, pretty much.

I like to hardcode my HTML in entries -- yes, with explicit <p> tags.

In comments, though, I usually take advantage of the "line break = <br> behaviour.
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[personal profile] tree 2010-05-20 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
i've never used the RTE. i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that i was journalling on my own hand-coded site before i joined LJ in 2001. there was no RTE then (come to think of it, i have no idea when it was actually implemented), so i suppose it wasn't anything i ever really thought about.

as someone who doesn't use it but has it used upon her, what i really, passionately dislike is that it overrides my journal settings if someone copies and pastes into it. if an entry that appears on my reading page has been copypastaed from, say, a word document, directly into the RTE, then it appears on my reading page in whatever hideous size and font and colour it was copied from. it's hard to read, it hurts my eyes, and i want it to not do that please.
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[personal profile] tree 2010-05-20 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
as a commentor i'd anticipate it working much the same way wordpress comments do: i enter my id and email address, have the option of entering a website, and another option to have follow-up comments emailed to me. the comment then appears under my id, with a link to my website if i'd entered it.

as a journal owner, i'd like it to be a separate level of comment, a step up from anonymous commenting.

(i really like the idea of cross-checking OpenID as mentioned in the bug spec.)
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3a Rich Text

[personal profile] seanlily 2010-05-20 10:48 am (UTC)(link)
I use the RTE because I don't know coding beyond the and , I mostly use the links, and b,i,u, buttons.
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Re: 3a Rich Text

[personal profile] explorer0713 2010-05-20 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I use the RTE usually, too, mostly because it is just easier -- and I do know Html. I maintain my Guild's website and I coded it all manually. I just don't want to spend a half hour coding in my daily thoughts.

The problems I have is that if you want to use the bold or italic button for just a few words - the title of a book or something - it doesn't usually turn off when you try to deselect it. If you try to switch between HTML and RTE you get a royal mess. The same sometimes happens when you try to link to another persons account or a community. Or it will turn off but forces you onto a new line, in the middle of a sentence.

It also will sometimes put pictures at the beginning of the post even though you were in the middle of the post and tried to post it there, wheer it made sense. You can move the box down, but it's a pain.

One improvement I would like to so in whichever editor is a larger editing box. Too much scrolling needed.
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RTE

[personal profile] calvinahobbes 2010-05-20 11:48 am (UTC)(link)
I do not use it, and the reasons have been stated by many above: I have had some really confuddling experiences with switching back and forth. Also, on more than one occasion my DogEar script for Firefox has attacked the RTE box and attatched irremovable dogears in my text that I could not find in the HTML nor remove in any way. I really have no idea how that happened, but it's made me shun the RTE box ever since. I suck at remembering site-specific tags such as user names and cut tags, so if I need them for a post I usually use the RTE box to generate the code, switch to HTML, copy it, and paste it into my beloved TextEdit, write my post, and copy-paste the whole shebang into the HTML box - that's how great my fear of the update page is.

Now that I am on that, I would actually love to have the most common tags listed somewhere on the update page: just the basics, so that I could quickly find them, instead of needing to use the RTE or searching the help section (which always takes forever). Likewise, I think I would find that much more useful on the comment box than a RTE.
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Re: RTE

[personal profile] azurelunatic 2010-05-20 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
And even if there's no convenient space on the page to put a handy reference of most-used tags, there might be room for a link to the FAQ.
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Polling

[personal profile] unixronin 2010-05-20 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
It would be useful if one were able to edit polls to correct errors not spotted until after the post has been submitted. I believe the majority of potential problems would be solved if, much as LJ allows comments to be edited by paid account users only until replied to, polls were able to be edited only until the first vote is submitted. This would enable submitting a post as eyes-only, checking that the poll looks correct, making any needed corrections, and then opening up access to the post, instead of having to scrap the poll and re-enter it from scratch in the event of discovering an error.
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Re: Polling

[personal profile] cesy 2010-05-20 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
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