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Mark Smith ([staff profile] mark) wrote in [site community profile] dw_news2009-10-27 01:18 am

Weekly Post: October 26th, 2009

Happy Monday -- or well, it's still Monday in Alaska and Hawaii... it has passed on to Tuesday here in California already. Oh well. This week I have a mixed bag of news for you.

1. Code Push, Development



Sunday we did a code push, releasing a few more features and fixes.

* Community maintainers can now designate a particular post in their community to be shown to new members when they join the community. This lets you tell the new members "hey, go here to read our posting guidelines". You can find this option on the Settings page for your community.

* Community maintainers may also now subscribe to notifications (email, inbox, etc) of all comments posted in a community. You no longer have to subscribe to every post. :-)

* Text management links on styles now have AJAX support like the graphical links did.

* A brilliant new style Skittlish Dreams ported to Dreamwidth by [personal profile] kaigou.

* After much discussion in [site community profile] dw_suggestions, we changed the 'shield' icon we were using to show posts filtered to custom access group(s). It is now a lock with the tag icon superimposed.

* We also changed the icon for official communities. This should help reduce some confusion we've seen about which communities are actually official.

We also fixed a number of issues in things ranging from existing styles to clients being unable to edit entries that were crossposted to some other things that may or may not have been impacting your enjoyment of Dreamwidth.

If you watch [site community profile] dw_dev later today/tomorrow, Denise will be putting together a code tour of the last week's work.

This week was phenomenal for development. I see 50 bugs resolved in the past week. That's a big step up from past weeks. Big kudos to everybody who has pitched in this week!

For the next week, Denise and I are encouraging everybody who does development to focus on bugs that are currently marked as 'blocking launch'. We have plans to remove the 'beta' sticker from Dreamwidth's logo before we get too much older... :-)


2. November 1st! Paid Account Discount Ending



When we launched Dreamwidth into Open Beta (April 30th) we decided to start paid accounts at a discounted rate for the first six months. This was to help encourage people to sign up as well as to acknowledge that we were new, in beta, missing some functionality, not quite as good looking as the neighbor's house, and potentially had some walls that still needed to be shored up ...

Well, we're past that point. Dreamwidth has many beautiful styles, a strong track record of site performance and availability, a bundle of new features, and two full time staff. We think that the time is now right to acknowledge all of that and have decided not to extend the discount passed the originally announced ending: November 1st, 2009.

The actual price difference between the discount is not that great, but you can review our FAQ entry for more details:

How much are Paid Accounts? What features do I get with a Paid Account?


3. Invite Codes



Denise and I have been talking lately about the invite code system the site uses. When we decided to implement invite codes again the primary goal was to allow us to control the growth of the site. It had some other benefits that we've really enjoyed, too, though: a drastic reduction in the ability for spammers to use the site and reducing squatters ability to get accounts.

That is all well and good, but Dreamwidth is nearing the point where we believe we're ready to grow. Of course, it's a tricky question... we want the site to grow but we don't want to lose the strong community feel we've been careful to cultivate. I love it here and I want to always love it here.

Realistically, though, I would like for Dreamwidth to be able to pay living wages for a few people to work on it. Right now it can't do that.

How do you feel about the invite codes? Do you think that they are worth the frustration people sometimes have by not being able to get in so easily? Or do you think they don't add much and you'd rather have people able to just move over whenever they want?

I want to be clear that, in the end, this decision will be made by Denise and me after we've done our best to analyze the repercussions. Given that caveat...what do you think?


4. Farewell to Tupshin



And now time for a terrible topic change...

Most of you probably don't know [livejournal.com profile] tupshin. Allow me to introduce the man who has for the past year and a half been an employee of LiveJournal, Inc. He came in as the engineering manager and over time transitioned to doing a lot more than that.

When Dreamwidth initially started in early 2008 it was before Tupshin really came on the scene. By the end of 2008, however, he had worked so hard to demonstrate to me that he was trying to fix a lot of the problems with LiveJournal that Dreamwidth, frankly, was no longer a very pressing concern of mine. It didn't have the need it once had and a lot of that was thanks to this man's effort.

Tupshin actually interfaced with the volunteers and with outsiders. He respected the Open Source origins of the site and worked to encourage outside contributions. He served as a voice of moderation in the senior staff, striving to help SUP come to grips with the wants and needs of the non-Russian speaking audience they seem to discard so easily. His management was directly responsible for my wife being happier and prouder of her job at the end (before they laid her off) than she had been in a while.

In short, Tupshin has been one of the most (if not the most) brilliant hiring decisions LiveJournal has made in the past year and a half.

To cut a long story short, SUP (the company that owns and operates LiveJournal.com) has decided once again that they no longer need the services of one of their strongest community advocates and more knowledgeable employees. As of last week, Tupshin has been let go. (Read the comments to that post to see some of the impact he had on the LiveJournal community.)

Tupshin: I told you this the other day, but it bears repeating. I have nothing but respect for you and the tireless effort you put in to make LiveJournal a better place. I really had high hopes for our ability to work together on some of the projects we talked about. I wish you nothing but the best and hope (and expect) that our paths will continue to cross. And, of course, you are always welcome at my house for Rock Band, alcoholic beverages, and general merriment. :)


5. End



That's the end of the news I have for you this week. A bit of a mixed bag, which happens from time to time.

Next week Denise will return to your reading pages as she takes on November's updates. I'll see you again in December and in the words of those of us who cavort on two wheels: ride safe!
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[personal profile] sophie 2009-10-27 08:43 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, I love the invite codes. I think they're really, really important.

Please don't get rid of them. :/

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[personal profile] ai 2009-10-27 08:49 am (UTC)(link)
I think there are plenty of opportunities for users to acquire free invite codes (I am always exploding with them from my RP accounts, passing them out when I can) as well as the communities that have users actively giving them out. I think while people are still in the high of passing out invite codes that we shouldn't do away with them.

Edit: Saw your comment above, decided to fill in a bit.

I've been actively monitoring the use of selling/buying usernames on several other clone sites that do not have the invite code system implemented. Personally, I am afraid of the mass amount of accounts that could be registered right after another. At least with invite codes you can easily track that sort of abuse and have a stem of sorts for deletion/bans. It really stunts that sort of behavior in my opinion.

Another thing is a person could be more obligated to use a site if it requires an invite code. It's not a simple register and then forget about it a little while later because you simply can't just re-register.

Usernames are being well thought out since there are no rename tokens. Allowing users to create journals at will throws a lot more inactive usernames into the batch. If a person wants a new username, they have to change journals, and that requires an invite code.

As for expansion, there's two ways currently to get a Dreamwidth account - purchase one for an invite code or get a code from another user. The former promotes the site's growth and the latter just requires a bit of patience (or a little search, since people post codes themselves in the communities). People don't have to 'beg' or 'owe' anything to get a Dreamwidth account.

Honestly, I see nothing wrong with the invite code system. It keeps away the kind of individuals I see kill sites like this.
Edited 2009-10-27 09:02 (UTC)
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[personal profile] shyfoxling 2009-10-27 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Usernames are being well thought out since there are no rename tokens.

Uh, there aren't? Oh dear. That's a bad thing for me. I use this account as a mirror of an LJ and and IJ account. Should I decide to change my name there I would not be able to change this one to match? That sucks...

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Agreeing with this.

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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2009-10-27 08:52 am (UTC)(link)
I don't care whether there are invite codes or not, so long as the latest posts and comments page stays free and clear of spam. I'm willing to put up with some extra spam for expansion, and if it gets bad we can figure out what happens.


Tupshin restored my faith in LiveJournal at a time when I had near to none. It was a pleasure working under him (for "I'm a volunteer" values of "work"). It is going to be difficult to pick up the pieces and carry on. My chocolate orange sticks, et cetera, are still at your disposal.
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[personal profile] dancing_serpent 2009-10-27 08:53 am (UTC)(link)
To be honest, I've heard only negative things about the invite codes on my IJ reading list and my RL friends.

People feel repelled, call the system elitist, and so on. I don't really get those feelings - there are so many codes available everywhere (code sharing communities, people offering in their journals) that everybody who wants can get one.

Also, one friend said "I won't create a journal somewhere I have to beg for entry".

Personally, I have more codes to give out than people who want them.
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[personal profile] sarken 2009-10-27 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
Ditto to all this.

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[personal profile] azurelunatic 2009-10-27 09:14 am (UTC)(link)
For my fellow community admins, if you use gmail, I highly recommend setting up a filter that will automatically tag your incoming community comment subscriptions with a relevant tag, so you will have a chance to feel less overwhelmed at drinking from the firehose. It's a huge amount of input, and it's very hard to keep tabs on it all in real time, if you have a high-volume community. It can be an incredibly useful tool, however, and I am pleased as pie that Dreamwidth has this in an official capacity.
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[personal profile] hermitsoul 2009-10-27 09:24 am (UTC)(link)
I know quite a few people refuse to get accounts here because they hate the invite system. It doesn't matter that most of us are drowning in invite codes to hand out, most people don't want to be required to ask for them.

Also, I know that if I happened upon the site accidentally and saw that an invite was required I'd pass it by because I wouldn't feel comfortable begging a random stranger for an invite.

I do like that it cuts down on spam; I follow one LJ community that regularly gets hit with spam posting and I love that I don't have to deal with that here.
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[personal profile] hakamadare 2009-10-27 11:51 am (UTC)(link)

if I happened upon the site accidentally and saw that an invite was required I'd pass it by

perhaps the fix to this problem is to put greater emphasis on the OpenID login (for which an invite code is not required).

-steve

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[personal profile] noxie 2009-10-27 09:25 am (UTC)(link)
I'm torn about the invite codes. I kind of like them, and I know I used to like LJ better when they where still using invite codes there. The community was smaller, but it was a much nicer place to be.

I have to second what [personal profile] dancing_serpent said above, though. It seems that a lot of people on LJ feel repelled by DW's invite system. I agree that it's actually pretty easy to get a code if you want in, but I can understand that some people think "why bother?"

Also, quite a few people on my LJ f-list initially gave DW a try, but thought the site was pretty "dead" and there wasn't enough activity in the communities, so they left again. Which is a shame, I think, because I love it here.

I would love for the DW community to grow, and not having invite codes would make it easier for people to just give the site a try. But like I said, I'm torn. Sorry I can't give you a better answer!
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[personal profile] dancing_serpent 2009-10-27 09:48 am (UTC)(link)
Also, quite a few people on my LJ f-list initially gave DW a try, but thought the site was pretty "dead" and there wasn't enough activity in the communities, so they left again. Which is a shame, I think, because I love it here.

Same for me. I have a 150+ reading list here but almost half of the journals are still empty.

What I keep hearing from people is "As long as the communities stay on LJ and don't move to DW, we have no reason to be here".

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[personal profile] ninetydegrees 2009-10-27 09:31 am (UTC)(link)
I'm for keeping the invite codes. I've heard the same arguments dancing_serpent heard but not widely on my friends list and people objected to invite codes period, no matter how or why they were implemented or how easily it was to get one and, let's be honest, it's very easy to get one so that's not the problem. To me, the problem is that some people don't want to have to ask. I don't get it.

However, I think what would make it easier for people is to have code sharing officially happen on other sites, not just here on dw_codesharing, and news crossposted there as well: show people what you're doing. The LiveJournal dreamwidth comm is only used by users to post codes. It's a shame.
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[personal profile] lassarina 2009-10-27 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
This.

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[personal profile] jumpuphigh 2009-10-27 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the reminder about the paid discount ending! I had completely forgotten about it. \o/
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[personal profile] charmian 2009-10-27 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
I bought a paid account yesterday.

About invite codes:

IMHO, the best thing invite codes do is get rid of the nasty spam-bots and annoying name-squatters. If the invite codes go, how will the spammers be discouraged? Of course, as simply a user I don't think I can really evaluate what this means on a technical level...

As far as losing the community: I think with the growth of the site, less cohesiveness is inevitable? Right now I think among the people who I know, and among the people who they know, anyone who is interested in Dreamwidth has been able to join. But that's not enough, clearly.

But, maybe invite codes don't need to be jettisoned completely? Perhaps instead, there could be a form on the main page where people could enter their email address and be entered to an invite code lottery. It seems to me it would be better if there were a method more automated than the codesharing comm. Or, to grow the site, there could be mass give-aways in places where people haven't previously heard much about Dreamwidth?

Also, considering controlling the growth of the site: what if so many people end up coming that growth must be controlled again and an invite code system re-instituted? How will the people who came in after the invite code system stopped take its potential reintroduction?
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[personal profile] sofiaviolet 2009-10-27 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
Perhaps instead, there could be a form on the main page where people could enter their email address and be entered to an invite code lottery.

This.

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[personal profile] moonstruckangel 2009-10-27 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
I like the invite codes because with it,it feels like a "close community" instead of being too public. If the invite codes are gone then a lot of people will probably make accounts and forget about them soon after and like ai said,people will not care as much if they mess up with their usernames or journals because they can just make "another" and accounts will be wasted and they won't take their accounts seriously.

I really love the fact that if you want an account in dreamwidth,you have to make the effort,that shows that you are serious about having an account and you seriously want to use dreamwidth's features and this leads to having more users that stay in the long run and less people making accounts and then leaving shortly after.

I also know that a lot of layout makers have the habit of making several accounts just to make live previews of their layouts,I never liked that about livejournal because I felt that those accounts were a waste and that it just cluttered everything. I don't like the fact that people make accounts without a second thought or when they don't have a "real" purpose for making said account.
So yeah,I'm definitely for keeping the invite codes.
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[personal profile] dancing_serpent 2009-10-27 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
I really love the fact that if you want an account in dreamwidth,you have to make the effort,that shows that you are serious about having an account and you seriously want to use dreamwidth's features and this leads to having more users that stay in the long run and less people making accounts and then leaving shortly after.

I wish it was like that. There are code-sharing communities on DW and LJ and it's not at all an effort to get an invite. And I know a 100+ people who created an account here and still don't use it.

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[personal profile] biodamped 2009-10-27 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
I actually really like the invite codes, for the same reasons i liked them back in the days that lj used to use them - they allow you to get a friend (or several) interested without them having to pay up front for something they don't know that they'll use. I was an invite to lj initially, and ended up paying them bucketloads for accounts over the years. Never permanent, which i have to say i'm thankful for, given their spectacular mismanagement of late and general shoving Russia down my throat business. So i'd vote for keeping the invite codes, but then, that's just me. I'm not the one who's dependant on a source of income from the site.
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[personal profile] sophie 2009-10-27 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, free registration on LJ has always been available, even before invite codes were introduced. (LJ didn't always have them!) Invite codes were introduced on LJ not to bring more users in, but to stem the tide of growth, since it was too fast at the time.

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[personal profile] celestineangel 2009-10-27 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
I'm divided on the invite code issue.

On one hand, I understand that invite codes help keep DW feeling like a small-town community as well as help keep the spambots down.

On the other... well, my personal circle of friends has yet to make the transition to DW, and while there are at least two people I know who don't want to leave LJ and are sort of boycotting DW (for a really silly-to-me reason), maybe some of the others would do so if they could do so of their free will without having to wait for me or someone else to offer up an invite code.

Without my personal circle of friends (and I haven't been able to find an active community on DW yet for any of my interests in order to make new DW friends), I use my account mainly for posts about my writing, which can be few and far between. Anything else, I post on LJ. While for other people there may be a community on DW, for me it still feels sort of empty.

[personal profile] alittlebirdy 2009-10-27 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
I really like the idea of the invite system and how it keeps out the spammers and generates a smaller close knit community. However, like [personal profile] noxie mentioned, a vast majority of people I know from LJ have given up on dreamwidth and gone back to LJ/IJ/other because its too quiet here and there isn't enough happening for them. Having some fabulous features is all well and good, but if there is hardly anyone here to use them then they are a bit superfluous.

I know DW is still new and it needs time to grow, but I think you need to address this and soon. I'm not sure getting rid of invites would help you grow - I agree with others who have said LJ was better before invites went away. Plus, I think if people really wanted to be here, they would be asking for that invite or forking out the $5 for an account.

I think I agree with [personal profile] ninetydegrees. You need to pimp yourselves out a bit more and show people how you are different to other journalling services and what you are doing here. Or get us to do it somehow. Maybe you could create an official "promote DW" comm/team and either train volunteers to promote DW like you would any other kind of volunteer team or at the very least just let us brainstorm ideas to get more people here.
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[personal profile] trickster 2009-10-27 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
First thing's first: To me, the invite code thing isn't that much of a deterrent. I had no problems getting invite codes and no real qualms about how the site functioned. (The grey is very easy on my eyes, which is so good.) I liked it enough that I paid for an account. The community here is nice, though a little pretty quiet.

However!

I'm thirding (?) what [personal profile] dancing_serpent said about the invite codes. A lot of people I knew were really hesitant to join DW because of invite codes and for the impression it gave them. This probably sounds really funky, considering Inksome! also used invite codes -- yet people seemed so willing to flock over there for a while. The main reason behind that was the icons, I think. And that's something worth mentioning.

Basic users only get six icons for use. So, for some of my friends, invite codes were too much trouble for what was essentially a downgrade from what LJ gives right off the bat. Not only that, but the communities were so quiet that some free users went back to LJ within a month. I'm not saying that you guys should automatically give us more icons or whatever. (There needs to be some sort of incentive to buy paid accounts.) I'm just saying that I've heard users complain about the invite codes being to much of a bother for going back to such a basic account.

Thinking beyond LJ users, there's still a sort of problem with invite codes. Like [personal profile] hermitsoul said, people just floating by the website might feel too shy to ask a stranger for a code. I know I would, especially when I don't even know where to get one. Inksome! had an invite code generator right on their front page. If you'd like to keep the codes for regulation reasons, I really suggest linking the code-sharing community on the front page so that people can see it clearly. This way, you can get attention from people other potential bloggers who don't really think of icons as a 'make-it-or-break-it' thing. It might be a little more refreshing that way, too. New blood and all. :)
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[personal profile] cesy 2009-10-27 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
A link to [site community profile] dw_codesharing on the front page sounds like a really good idea.

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[personal profile] dreamatdrew 2009-10-27 10:39 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, I'm kind of agnostic on the invite code system. I do have a thought tho.

Perhaps if there were a button on the invite page which allowed someone to automagically give up their not-planned-for-useage invite codes into a que on the "create an account" page, so that you can still meter account creation, but it knocks out the "begging to get in" feeling that can crop up.
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[personal profile] sofiaviolet 2009-10-27 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
Perhaps if there were a button on the invite page which allowed someone to automagically give up their not-planned-for-useage invite codes into a que on the "create an account" page, so that you can still meter account creation, but it knocks out the "begging to get in" feeling that can crop up.

I'd guess that this wouldn't actually be necessary, but I can see why existing users would find it appealing - you can give away your invite codes so you don't feel like you're wasting their potential. :)

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[personal profile] sorchasilver 2009-10-27 10:44 am (UTC)(link)
I absolutely hate the invite code system. I deliberately bought a one month paid account here to get my account because I do not want ever to have to ask someone else to give me an account. It's my account, my choice, and it should be under my control. If I could not have afforded a paid account (for e.g. if the one month paid option was not available and I had to buy a year's paid account to register at all) I would not have bothered with Dreamwidth. Regardless of how it is intended on your end, it makes me uncomfortable to be dependent on someone else for my account. It feels elitist and exclusive, even though I am aware of the rationale for the decision.

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I absolutely hate the invite code system. I deliberately bought a one month paid account here to get my account because I do not want ever to have to ask someone else to give me an account. It's my account, my choice, and it should be under my control. If I could not have afforded a paid account (for e.g. if the one month paid option was not available and I had to buy a year's paid account to register at all) I would not have bothered with Dreamwidth. Regardless of how it is intended on your end, it makes me uncomfortable to be dependent on someone else for my account. It <i>feels</i> elitist and exclusive, even though I am aware of the rationale for the decision.

And I am one of the people <username="noxie"> mentions who has stopped using DW because it feels "dead".
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[personal profile] trickster 2009-10-27 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually feel this one a little. When I first heard about Dreamwidth, I wanted to be involved and try it out. Unfortunately, I heard about it from passing though a journal of a friend of a friend of a friend. (Something like that. You know what I mean.) I really, really didn't want to bother someone for something like this because, yeah, it felt like begging. If it weren't for the promise that OpenID people would get invite codes sent, I would've just shuffled away.

After that, I was fine. But I can totally understand where [personal profile] sorchasilver's coming from.

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[personal profile] niqaeli 2009-10-27 10:58 am (UTC)(link)
I honestly don't care about the invite codes in and of themselves. I've never understood how, if $5 is too high for your blood, it's a hardship to get an invite. But I don't actually care if they're here or not, if spam stays relatively well controlled.

And I do believe that if you and D decide that invite codes need to go, it will be a well-considered decision and not made lightly.

But I can't say I'd be particularly thrilled to see it happen, largely because it was stated from the beginning that Dreamwidth would have invite codes and continue to have them for the life of the site. Yes, I'd rather see the site thrive than keep invite codes because it was Once Stated That Invite Codes Would Be Permanent, but I'd... really like to see the site thrive on while not losing that neighbourhood-store feel (and I get that you need to get larger to support yourselves; I just don't want to see that happen in a way that impacts the feel of the place).

I'm under no delusions that living project can stay frozen in amber and time: that's a true death. But -- eh. Yeah. I would be disappointed to see invite codes go and while I would not become paranoid about seeing ads crop up, despite repeated statements and essays demonstrating the belief that advertising on social media is not economically viable... well. I do wonder if other people might after having seen LJ say "We'll never do X," and then eventually went ahead and did X so many times.

Meanwhile, I need to go update my alternate accounts with more paid time. :)
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[personal profile] rebelsheart 2009-10-27 11:05 am (UTC)(link)
I like the invite codes, but as a number of people have pointed out, I'm having problems actually using them.

A lot of my friends don't use their journals on other sites any more - a year ago, I could come home from work to skip=120 on LiveJournal before I hit where I'd read in the morning. Nowadays, that's between skip=40 and skip=60.

That being said, Dreamwidth is strongly presenting itself as the more reliable service. With each passing week, I find myself more tempted by the idea of importing all my old entries and ceasing to use LiveJournal entirely.
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[personal profile] connie 2009-10-27 11:40 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for your words about Tupshin. It was touching to see him get the tribute he deserves over here when LJ's latest news post didn't mention him at all. <3
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Which was a tragedy, dammit.

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[personal profile] birguslatro 2009-10-27 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
I understand the points of view of those users who're for and against the invite codes, but I'm unsure how getting rid of them will be good for DW's growth. There's good growth and bad growth, so why would the unlimited growth of free accounts on DW be good growth? Many more journals meaning a few more paid accounts I assume, but is that all?

Admittedly, you would always be able to re-introduce invite codes if things get out of hand.

A poll on this among current users would be of interest...
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[personal profile] nijibug 2009-10-27 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I really like invite codes. Like [personal profile] birguslatro said, I can't see how getting rid of them will be any good for Dwth's growth.
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[personal profile] faintdreams 2009-10-27 12:18 pm (UTC)(link)
On the one hand I think that there will always be a group of people who are put off by invite codes stating 'elitism', but in my experience that minority are the same group who often follow the Groucho credo: "I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member"

I like invite codes as long as they aren't impossible to obtain. This does not sound like the case here.

I think the benefits outweigh the disadvantages when it comes to site membership and encouraging people who want to use the services (and add to the community) versus those who want to trash or subvert the services (and spoil it for the majority).

On the other hand as a start up company (albeit a user-friendly one who keeps it's promises - which I value dearly btw) any decision that might reduce new revenue flow is a tricky one.

I say keep them as they don't seem to be any real barrier to entry for anyone who wants to use the service as it was designed to be used. Other commentators have outlined other pros and cons so I shall stop now.
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[personal profile] blnchflr 2009-10-27 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Invite codes, my rambly and conflicted thoughts:

Summary: If getting rid of invite codes seems a plus for DW and DW users, I'm all for it.

Like someone above mentioned, I do have a bit of a "but they said they'd keep invite codes; what will they go back on next - ads??" gut reaction to the question. Other than that, I have no personal feelings invested in the invite codes. And I understand that some/a lot of people would feel put off by needing an invite code to create a journal.

Additionally/tangent: I don't think getting rid of invite codes will bring a huge influx of new, active users from LJ - I think the people on LJ, who haven't yet moved, are opposed to moving; invites/no invites isn't the central issue, though some may mention it. I'd think it great fun if I was proven wrong, though!

Lastly: As I'm currently worried about the financial situation at IJ, I'm wondering if you're considering getting rid of invites in an effort to get more paid users (people create free journal easily, then decide to upgrade). But surely no invites would mean an even greater free-to-paid journals ratio? But surely you also know this, and/or know it much better than me, so silly worry?
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[staff profile] denise 2009-10-27 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Lastly: As I'm currently worried about the financial situation at IJ, I'm wondering if you're considering getting rid of invites in an effort to get more paid users (people create free journal easily, then decide to upgrade). But surely no invites would mean an even greater free-to-paid journals ratio? But surely you also know this, and/or know it much better than me, so silly worry?

As much as I'm trying to stay out of these comments to avoid influencing the discussion, I absolutely want to jump on this one!

The fact that Mark left his dayjob to work for DW fulltime should be a good portent that we're absolutely confident about DW's financial situation. Right now, we're not making enough money per month to cover the cost of site hosting + professional services + contractors + salary for me and mark, but as I brightly and proudly told my parents this weekend, right now we're losing far less money than our projections had us losing at this point in the site's life, which is funny but true: the reason we sold seed accounts at site startup was precisely to cover this initial year's slow ramping-up period, and anything and everything we're doing now is with our eye on the long-term future, not immediate need.

Sure, it'd be really nice to be in the black on a month-by-month basis, as well as for the year; it'd be great if we could keep that seed account money as our warchest. But the plan called for us having a year to get to that point; we could actually run on cash-in-hand for two years if we had to, if we tightened the belt enough.

What Mark's talking about is that response to DW has been so positive, and we've been able to accomplish so much, that we would love to be able to add additional full-time employees, people who are paid to do nothing but work on DW. We weren't expecting to be able to do that for a while down the road, but we're starting to think that now is the right time.

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